Blaine the Gypsy
Grandmaster
I will settle this with this that I made my self
Runic Hammers vs Wooden Weapons
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Mango
Grandmaster
I am still so out of the loop still with the crafting community & all of the changes these last few months.But from what I've read I am very sad to hear so many crafters have left
Bromista
Grandmaster
Yeah kinda sucks...only a few of us carry the torch now 
Blaine the Gypsy
Grandmaster
Even faction vendors if this is the case.
halygon
Grandmaster
Maybe I'm the odd one out but I like the bod system. It IS a gamble but I get something every time. Some people enjoy collecting(aka hording) rares - I like high end bod rewards. They are something that takes time and energy to get and in the end, even useful.
But on topic....
I see the reasoning behind your argument, but I'd like to see some suggestions on how you think this area of crafting can be improved.
But on topic....
I see the reasoning behind your argument, but I'd like to see some suggestions on how you think this area of crafting can be improved.
My issue with a raw materials rework is that it will increase the value of those mats but without an increased interest/demand for the finished product, it's going to create an even smaller profit margin than what we're currently seeing.
I, like @halygon, enjoy the bod system. I don't think that's the problem.
I, like @halygon, enjoy the bod system. I don't think that's the problem.
Blaine the Gypsy
Grandmaster
This post is originally stating that to get runic weapons you must have runic hammers. To get runic wooden weapons you don't. I like bods, but I don't like collecting them when it's the point becomes valueless. There's a lot of steps to get a runic metal weapon and hardly anything to get wooden ones.
I can and most likely will come up with ideas/suggestions, but I wanted to see if it was worth the effort and it wasn't just me having an issue.
I can and most likely will come up with ideas/suggestions, but I wanted to see if it was worth the effort and it wasn't just me having an issue.
Mango
Grandmaster
Could always remove wooden runics (which is likely out of the question since they've already been released), or make the process of getting one crazy hard like smithing runics.
As far as wanting to reduce the amount of crafting materials, I think the best way (especially with the low demand) is to host an occasional crafting event. Because you know... Lord British needs a new valorite drawbridge ^_^
edit: another solution is simply reducing the stats of wooden weapons *cough* but a crafting even would be epic
As far as wanting to reduce the amount of crafting materials, I think the best way (especially with the low demand) is to host an occasional crafting event. Because you know... Lord British needs a new valorite drawbridge ^_^
edit: another solution is simply reducing the stats of wooden weapons *cough* but a crafting even would be epic
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Using what I believe is the current price for the highest tiers of wood a vanq/+25/exceptional bow would require ~1m worth of wood to get. This is ignoring the durability rating. The valorite runic equivalent bow is in the neighborhood of 1/10000 chance. If frostwood is worth 80gp per log and a bow takes 6? 10000 * 6 * 80 = 4.8m worth of frostwood to make such a bow on average.
It doesnt require you to have 20 smiths or log them in 4 times a day. All you have to do is actually gather resources and craft.
The bod system is a completely backwards. If it was roughly an even chance to get any materials and smalls versus large then instead of a guaranteed reward based on bod, you do random reward at turn in the system would function properly.
So, I would propose that actually. Do away with guaranteed rewards and switch to random at turn in with a bonus for LBODs. This way you actually have to use resources to have a chance.
It doesnt require you to have 20 smiths or log them in 4 times a day. All you have to do is actually gather resources and craft.
The bod system is a completely backwards. If it was roughly an even chance to get any materials and smalls versus large then instead of a guaranteed reward based on bod, you do random reward at turn in the system would function properly.
So, I would propose that actually. Do away with guaranteed rewards and switch to random at turn in with a bonus for LBODs. This way you actually have to use resources to have a chance.
Mango
Grandmaster
the luck factor never really bothered me, it kind of makes the prize so much more satisfying lol.
^^ That sounds amazingly interesting. I personally love doing BODs, and doing this could make them even more fun (potentially)!
^^ That sounds amazingly interesting. I personally love doing BODs, and doing this could make them even more fun (potentially)!
You could still sell bods of course, it just wouldnt really reward you that much for getting any particular one. The system actually encourages you to not fill bods at the moment and I would argue that that is broken. I have heard so many people say they dont even bother keeping their iron bods or the just toss them in the trash. This is just my personal opinion of course but I really think you would actually see people filling the bods instead of just grabbing them all the live long day.
Mango
Grandmaster
forgot to mention the wood. As far as the cost of wood goes.. This I feel will likely go down drastically in the near future. I've already started seeing some vendors sell colored wood by the 10's of thousands.
With all the resource gathering scripting that goes on, the wooden weapons are going to be just as common as the bazillion crafted slayer weapons everywhere.
With all the resource gathering scripting that goes on, the wooden weapons are going to be just as common as the bazillion crafted slayer weapons everywhere.
I mean. The vast majority of the rewards are next to useless. Same thing with tailoring. Crafters are scrambling for the good stuff because it's the only way they have of bringing in any kind of income. And if our incomes get any lower than they are now, what's the point of crafting?
Weland
Grandmaster
I know that after I heard that crafting has taken a dive I've been reluctant in making my BOD smiths. I don't want to invest the time mining the ingots and GM blacksmithy just for it to be a wasted endeavor. I came back to UO originally to be a smith.
I would like to see some changes made to the BOD process. I think the fact that you need 3 to 5 BOD smiths just to have a chance at getting a decent BOD is a bit unneeded.
If you complete a SBOD there should be a full range of items that you get an equal chance to receive and the higher grade of the resource required = the higher the chance on certain items.
Example: SBOD Iron gets % chance on certain items to include low end runic hammers. SBOD w/ Shadow Ingots, the runic hammer gets a bump in the %chance to get that hammer.
LBODS would fall into a different category that offer the higher end hammers and other useful things like PS's for mining and Smithing.
I don't have much to go with in regards to harvesting. I just mine and dump stuff into my pack horse and beetle and spend hours a day getting ore.
I would like to see some changes made to the BOD process. I think the fact that you need 3 to 5 BOD smiths just to have a chance at getting a decent BOD is a bit unneeded.
If you complete a SBOD there should be a full range of items that you get an equal chance to receive and the higher grade of the resource required = the higher the chance on certain items.
Example: SBOD Iron gets % chance on certain items to include low end runic hammers. SBOD w/ Shadow Ingots, the runic hammer gets a bump in the %chance to get that hammer.
LBODS would fall into a different category that offer the higher end hammers and other useful things like PS's for mining and Smithing.
I don't have much to go with in regards to harvesting. I just mine and dump stuff into my pack horse and beetle and spend hours a day getting ore.