Question, will pet statloss be looked at.....?

Bromista

Bromista

Grandmaster
God.RG said:
if there is a real pet statloss, then it needs to be 40% just like reds.
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Permanent vs temporary?

Oh, didn't read the above msgs.

But I still don't think getting creative and adding another set of rules to play by is the best solution, honestly. I think this is an all or nothing situation.
 
God.RG

God.RG

Grandmaster
Bromista said:
Permanent vs temporary?

Oh, didn't read the above msgs.

But I still don't think getting creative and adding another set of rules to play by is the best solution, honestly. I think this is an all or nothing situation.
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i personally think it's fine the way it is.. i don't see the need for a change.
i'd rather pay 15k or even just lose a point of resist.. who cares? i have pets with 70 resist that do just fine.
 
Lexington

Lexington

Grandmaster
God.RG said:
i personally think it's fine the way it is.. i don't see the need for a change.
i'd rather pay 15k or even just lose a point of resist.. who cares? i have pets with 70 resist that do just fine.
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I respect your stance.... but that 70 will only go down with the way things are.
 
Lexington

Lexington

Grandmaster
Bromista said:
Permanent vs temporary?

Oh, didn't read the above msgs.

But I still don't think getting creative and adding another set of rules to play by is the best solution, honestly. I think this is an all or nothing situation.
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All or nothing in what way?


Anyways... would be nice to get an official dev stance... that way I can go back to enjoying the game :)

I think a harsh % temp stat is a better idea then current, but that's just my opinion.
 
Bromista

Bromista

Grandmaster
Lexington said:
All or nothing in what way?
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All or nothing in that skill gain gets "fixed" or it doesn't, or a way to buy out is put in place. No temporary stat, nothing inbetween.

I understand there is going to be some confusion...like why would you want to buy yourself out of stat when you can already do that via SS? Well, there's a couple reasons it's just not the same:

  • Buying out of stat means you can prevent the loss of skills that cannot be retrained. I.e. poisoning for metas.
  • Buying out of stat means you don't have to fuck with the market in competition for SS to regain those skills that cannot be trained. I have heard that Adam likes the demand for poisoning and resist SS. There is/was already PLENTY of demand for those SS, pets aside.
  • Buying out of stat means you don't have to worry about the odd % of skill loss that comes with skills above GM, and the inability to recover that skill loss until the skill retrains naturally (which, as has previously been mentioned cannot be done in some cases) or until you lose even MORE skill to be able to eat SS.

Fractions of a pt of skill don't matter to some people. They don't to me...but look at people who buy up high stat pets. I sell high stat pets, so believe me I have sat down and done the math to see just how insane people are when it comes to obsession over numbers.

You know what the difference is between the FB of a max stat pet and a min stat pet is, in relation to the loss of hp? For example, say your pets are half life. The difference of the FB comes out to fractions of a pt of dmg. Fractions. Of one pt. Same goes for STR and INT regarding melee and casting. The damage output is so minimally effected that it's almost comical, yet people pay through the teeth for high stat pets and discard low stat pets like they're worthless trash.

These people care about fractions of skill pts as well.

So again in regards to point #3, personally I do not care but I recognize the need for others to.
 
Bromista

Bromista

Grandmaster
Again, all or nothing is better than having a mix of different conditions. Much less hand holding this way.

In the end, I'd like for this not to be a focal point and/or a distraction for our staff.

Last thing we need is people getting all omgwtfbbq over different stat loss conditions.
 
B

bksdaduo

Master
As a meta pet owner with roughly 15m invested in it, it dies once or twice a day due to either A) those pesky xmas shadow balrons that eat shit in 1 hit or B) the 5% of the time I don't get recall off when a group of 5+ reds roll in.

I'm not going to come in this thread and whine about pet stat loss being removed, but can we get a fix to meta pets specifically that have skills going over 100?

I would gladly auto pay 30k like my red chars can do to avoid stat on my meta.
 
Lexington

Lexington

Grandmaster
Bromista said:
All or nothing in that skill gain gets "fixed" or it doesn't, or a way to buy out is put in place. No temporary stat, nothing inbetween.

I understand there is going to be some confusion...like why would you want to buy yourself out of stat when you can already do that via SS? Well, there's a couple reasons it's just not the same:

  • Buying out of stat means you can prevent the loss of skills that cannot be retrained. I.e. poisoning for metas.
  • Buying out of stat means you don't have to fuck with the market in competition for SS to regain those skills that cannot be trained. I have heard that Adam likes the demand for poisoning and resist SS. There is/was already PLENTY of demand for those SS, pets aside.
  • Buying out of stat means you don't have to worry about the odd % of skill loss that comes with skills above GM, and the inability to recover that skill loss until the skill retrains naturally (which, as has previously been mentioned cannot be done in some cases) or until you lose even MORE skill to be able to eat SS.
Fractions of a pt of skill don't matter to some people. They don't to me...but look at people who buy up high stat pets. I sell high stat pets, so believe me I have sat down and done the math to see just how insane people are when it comes to obsession over numbers.

You know what the difference is between the FB of a max stat pet and a min stat pet is, in relation to the loss of hp? For example, say your pets are half life. The difference of the FB comes out to fractions of a pt of dmg. Fractions. Of one pt. Same goes for STR and INT regarding melee and casting. The damage output is so minimally effected that it's almost comical, yet people pay through the teeth for high stat pets and discard low stat pets like they're worthless trash.

These people care about fractions of skill pts as well.

So again in regards to point #3, personally I do not care but I recognize the need for others to.
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Buying out of any statloss defeats the purpose of the statloss to begin with. Statloss was original designed to put a character out action for X amount of time due to their chosen activity. Allowing a player to buy out... what's the point??
 
Some One

Some One

Master
Face it it needs to be addressed. There are not enough skill scrolls around.You get that many farming? Wow you must be a good pvmer and pvper. Personally I do not get that many of the ones I need . Or did you mean you got 25 last few weeks?
 
Bromista

Bromista

Grandmaster
Lexington said:
Buying out of any statloss defeats the purpose of the statloss to begin with. Statloss was original designed to put a character out action for X amount of time due to their chosen activity. Allowing a player to buy out... what's the point??
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I agree. I am an advocate for perma stat for players.

However, that's never gonna happen. So if they can buy out of stat, even if it is temporary, then I don't see why it shouldn't be that way across the board and applicable to pets as well.
 
Lexington

Lexington

Grandmaster
Bromista said:
I agree. I am an advocate for perma stat for players.

However, that's never gonna happen. So if they can buy out of stat, even if it is temporary, then I don't see why it shouldn't be that way across the board and applicable to pets as well.
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I hear ya... but I was always told to learn from my mistakes.

I wish Adam would have implemented the short and long term perma stat system when he said he was going to... instead of listening to the real whinny bitches of the shard. It might have lessened the need for pks to always roll in groups. The way it is now the solo farmer doesn't have a chance when they roll up all precasted. This is typically when my pets take stat loss BTW.
 
Bromista

Bromista

Grandmaster
Lexington said:
I hear ya... but I was always told to learn from my mistakes.

I wish Adam would have implemented the short and long term perma stat system when he said he was going to... instead of listening to the real whinny bitches of the shard. It might have lessened the need for pks to always roll in groups. The way it is now the solo farmer doesn't have a chance when they roll up all precasted. This is typically when my pets take stat loss BTW.
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I dunno, pk's here are pretty fragile. For the most part they're gonna roll in groups no matter what you do lol.
 
CVegas

CVegas

Grandmaster
Karl Sagan said:
I think the issue was people abusing their pets, throwing them over and over into mobs, and generally tamers being OP in pvm. Didn't they make skill scrolls for pets?
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The issue i've found is it's a pain in the ass to find the scrolls. People have them, but they are bought up quick and it gets old parking your ass in front of a vendor.
 
God.RG

God.RG

Grandmaster
Some One said:
Face it it needs to be addressed. There are not enough skill scrolls around.You get that many farming? Wow you must be a good pvmer and pvper. Personally I do not get that many of the ones I need . Or did you mean you got 25 last few weeks?
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Yes. I am.
You could get 20 scrolls in a couple hours easy man.
 
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