Mintavia
Neophyte
your probably right.
PKs - Too Many
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God.RG
Grandmaster
It's funny that you basically copy/paste what certain people that I won't name post here on the forums..
Your ass must be sore from RIDING THAT DIIIIICK
Mintavia
Neophyte
Can you point me to a decent recall macro. I do not want to be such an easy target. I do WANT the pkr to work hard for it. Just as hard as I did to earn my stuff. That is balance. Now if I could only figure out how to achieve that balance, I would not mind the occasional pk. Last time I played there was no Razor and it is a huge advantage for pkrs who already know the macros over those who just started out. Kind of like taking candy from babies. I have tried to use the razor to macro the fishing...but still can not get it to work correctly.
besttherewas
Grandmaster
The trammies here who think being a pk is easy gold should try it for once.
they will realise on their first attempt that live targets don't sit still like blood elementals and will actually heal, run and cast recall at an instant.
but please keep telling us how easy it is and that they make endless amounts of gold with no challenge or risk.
they will realise on their first attempt that live targets don't sit still like blood elementals and will actually heal, run and cast recall at an instant.
but please keep telling us how easy it is and that they make endless amounts of gold with no challenge or risk.
Karl Sagan
Grandmaster
This thread is making me want to turn all my chars red holy shit
No this is not trammel. You will die. The risk and challenge that exists here is what makes any success, no matter how small, rewarding.
No being a red is not easy money for anyone. If you think that you have probably never played a PK.
Yes if you are too fucking dense, stubborn and STUPID to carry pots you are going to die. Are trapped pouches too much of a hassle too? Wow you have to restock 4 ones a week? Are these posts for real? (Just re read that post and missed his point).
@Mintavia I can't pick on you, you seem so innocent. But look friend, you are going to have to do some legwork here. There are whole threads about how to survive pks and make macros that work. You need to read those. You can hit one button and cast recall and insta target your runebook. Escape on this server is incredibly easy. Carry cure and heal pots, carry trapped pouches. Bind a key for each. Bind a recall hotkey. Be mounted. Have a recall macro. So those and your survival rate will skyrocket.
@illusion So everyone plays a red because its so easy to make a ton of money? Ok post a SS of your main PK after considering your sins, please.
My bet is you don't have one, and nothing grinds my gears like someone arguing in bad faith. You don't know shit about pking, but I bet you know a lot about getting pkd. So you come in here talking about how easy it is to PK trying to get fucking PERMA STAT. Please post a SS of your red of shut up.
No this is not trammel. You will die. The risk and challenge that exists here is what makes any success, no matter how small, rewarding.
No being a red is not easy money for anyone. If you think that you have probably never played a PK.
Yes if you are too fucking dense, stubborn and STUPID to carry pots you are going to die. Are trapped pouches too much of a hassle too? Wow you have to restock 4 ones a week? Are these posts for real? (Just re read that post and missed his point).
@Mintavia I can't pick on you, you seem so innocent. But look friend, you are going to have to do some legwork here. There are whole threads about how to survive pks and make macros that work. You need to read those. You can hit one button and cast recall and insta target your runebook. Escape on this server is incredibly easy. Carry cure and heal pots, carry trapped pouches. Bind a key for each. Bind a recall hotkey. Be mounted. Have a recall macro. So those and your survival rate will skyrocket.
@illusion So everyone plays a red because its so easy to make a ton of money? Ok post a SS of your main PK after considering your sins, please.
My bet is you don't have one, and nothing grinds my gears like someone arguing in bad faith. You don't know shit about pking, but I bet you know a lot about getting pkd. So you come in here talking about how easy it is to PK trying to get fucking PERMA STAT. Please post a SS of your red of shut up.
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jenny_jugs
Adept
This thread is ridiculous.
There is a reason most people don't pk - they aren't good enough/can't stand the risk of statloss.
Sure there are large zergs around (blues more so tbh), but get a group of average people and you can destroy them - giving you satisfaction and fun at the same time.
I get statlossed all the time, and 99/100 it is from a large blue zerg who absolutely suck, but use numbers/TS/target closest then instant stat. Yet you want perma statloss cause i got the shit ganked out of me? K bro, lol.
When my blue tamer gets killed, i dont give 2 shits, i just get out and gear up again. There are no consequences for a blue death.
If you are going up against me with no armour, no potions, no trap pouches and horrible reflexes/lack of skill then of course you're going to get railed the fuck out, i gear up to the 10's on all my red chars (alch dexers and mages), and i have a better understanding of the game machanics. My ping is horrible, but i overcome it with the fact my enemies blow and rely on numbers.
There is a reason most people don't pk - they aren't good enough/can't stand the risk of statloss.
Sure there are large zergs around (blues more so tbh), but get a group of average people and you can destroy them - giving you satisfaction and fun at the same time.
I get statlossed all the time, and 99/100 it is from a large blue zerg who absolutely suck, but use numbers/TS/target closest then instant stat. Yet you want perma statloss cause i got the shit ganked out of me? K bro, lol.
When my blue tamer gets killed, i dont give 2 shits, i just get out and gear up again. There are no consequences for a blue death.
If you are going up against me with no armour, no potions, no trap pouches and horrible reflexes/lack of skill then of course you're going to get railed the fuck out, i gear up to the 10's on all my red chars (alch dexers and mages), and i have a better understanding of the game machanics. My ping is horrible, but i overcome it with the fact my enemies blow and rely on numbers.
1. I watched my alliance zergbthe shit out of jennys tamrr in spider cave. Like 12 peeps. He stood and spun in circle...i rezzed and left.
2. Reds using gm weapons suck. I use only power and vanq shit on my reds and i do it solo...and killl plenty of people.
3. In b4 someone bitches abiut me killing a miner or afk person.
A. Dont go afk
B. Dont carry 60k in value of ingots and expect mercy
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2. Reds using gm weapons suck. I use only power and vanq shit on my reds and i do it solo...and killl plenty of people.
3. In b4 someone bitches abiut me killing a miner or afk person.
A. Dont go afk
B. Dont carry 60k in value of ingots and expect mercy
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Kalos
Apprentice
I would just like to add that I run a PK dexxer and when I die (which happens at least once or twice a day), I'm losing 10-20k in weapons, 5k in armor.. and the possibility of either instant stat-loss, or a 10-20k fee to get my head back. Most of my gold goes to funding my red, not becoming rich.... I play it because it's fun.
Most blues who are completely helpless when it comes to escaping or fighting back aren't carrying much at all on them anyways.
Bards need like 25 each reag and an instrument. C'mon!
Most blues who are completely helpless when it comes to escaping or fighting back aren't carrying much at all on them anyways.
Bards need like 25 each reag and an instrument. C'mon!
Nigel Thornberry
Master
Wow...This thread really makes me want to puke. Monologue time.
Blues- Stop Crying!!!!
Reds- Stop Crying!!!!
Blues- Stop Crying. This is a cutthroat game designed for adults...We all know this, and at least for me, it's one of the reasons I keep coming back to this game after 15 years. Keeping yourself safe is your responsibility, and yours alone. If you die to someone, red or blue or purple, 1 person or 20 people, mongbat or Balron Paragon, there is only 1 person to blame...yourself. At some point, you made a mistake. Whether that mistake was a misclick, a wrong turn, not having the proper equipment, or failure to escape from a gank, YOU are the one responsible for defending your lewtz. If you feel that you are constantly being outnumbered, well then maybe you should spend a little less time raging on forums, and a little more time attempting to meet and join forces with other players. Hating on reds for rolling in groups is one of the silliest things I've ever heard. If you want to roll solo, and want other people to roll solo, please, go back to Skyrim, where you can live out your days in peace. Reds SHOULD be grouping, they SHOULD be rolling deep, and personally, I'd like to see MORE reds and BIGGER groups of reds. I want to see a big ass IDOC get rolled by 15 reds. Then I want to see a well organized party of 15 blues come in and push them back. Then I want to see a 3rd, entirely different group of reds stroll in and roll both groups. THIS is the kind of PvP I desire. Stat loss does not need to be made more severe; a 2 day vacation is plenty for them to think about what mistakes led them to the stat loss they are experiencing. I was statted on my first red with Old School Perma-Stat for the first time when I was 11 years old. Was it cool? Fuck no, I spent weeks in stat with 60ish counts. Did I learn a lesson from my death? You're damned right. Stat loss is sufficient as is. And this is nothing personal against you, OP, I am STL born and raised. I love dat Provel cheese, I bleed Blue in the winter, and that sweet, sweet Cardinals red in the summertime, but I must disagree strongly. I will have your back any day in the field when fighting against the red scum, but not in this argument.
Reds- Stop Crying. You are red. You chose to be red. No one made you red. You know the consequences for being red. If you think you should be allowed to murder every bard in the world for 10k a pop with no consequences, you are one silly bastard. If you died and lost your head, then you made a mistake, and you shall and should pay the price. Again, whether that mistake was a misclick, a lack of preparation, a wrong turn in a chase, or a simple underestimation of your enemies, YOU fucked up. The blues that killed you didn't fuck up. They aren't ruining anything. Maybe you shouldn't have run into that champ spawn alone like you are God's Gift to UO. Now, if you can avoid those consequences by not dying or by recovering your own head, power to you, you are a skilled red, and I sincerely value your place on the server. I will continue to defend your right to be red, despite my own personal goals, and will forever argue AGAINST increasing the severity of stat loss. Just like blues, it is YOUR responsibility to protect your head, and YOUR responsibility to keep yourself out of stat loss. When you reach the stat loss cap, you are in essence telling the server, "I'm confident enough in my ability to conquer my enemies that I am willing to risk 2 days of play." If you aren't that confident, or aren't willing to risk 2 days of play, GO BACK TO BEING BLUE, or go to factions. If you are one of the apparent minority that ARE that confident of themselves and willing to risk it all to prove your skills without crying like a butthurt teen, once again, power to you, I value your place here, and I would not want to play on a server without players such as you. If you get zerged by a group of blues, STOP FUCKING CRYING. Instead of spending your time raging how you "don't deserve to not play for 2 days" even though your primary profession is the griefing of others, why don't you spend some of that time recruiting and training some more players. Before you stop and say, "but Nigel, everyone else is trash, our guild/group doesn't recruit," just think about how stupid that is. For example, if you think that you can or should win a fight 3v10 at a Champ spawn, you are the single worst battlefield tactician in the history of battles, fields, or tactics. I WANT you guys to roll champs, I ENJOY champ spawn PvP, but in order to do this, you need NUMBERS, something which many of you don't seem to understand. You are so full of yourselves and think you are so good, that you honestly think you should be able to roll in and do whatever you want against whatever odds. You aren't that good. No one is that good. The next time you see gank someone and think, hey, that guy wasn't too bad, instead of saying "EAT SHIT NERD, YOU BAD KID!", maybe you should try something like, "Have a red? We could use some more solid players." They don't need to be the greatest PvPer on earth, because YOU are good....So TRAIN THEM. I train people IRL on a regular basis who have no high school diplomas or GED's on how to use complex data processing and package processing systems; with a little effort, you could easily find and train yourselves some recruits who possess the skills to help your band of scum succeed in their evil endeavors.
TL;DR---- I want to see more Reds, and bigger groups on both sides. Man up. Play the game. Heaven forbid you be SOCIAL in a massively MULTIPLAYER online game and find some more people to roll with. If you don't like groups or people being social and playing together, please, do all of us here a big favor; leave and never look back.
Hello Kitty: Island Adventure awaits you.
Blues- Stop Crying!!!!
Reds- Stop Crying!!!!
Blues- Stop Crying. This is a cutthroat game designed for adults...We all know this, and at least for me, it's one of the reasons I keep coming back to this game after 15 years. Keeping yourself safe is your responsibility, and yours alone. If you die to someone, red or blue or purple, 1 person or 20 people, mongbat or Balron Paragon, there is only 1 person to blame...yourself. At some point, you made a mistake. Whether that mistake was a misclick, a wrong turn, not having the proper equipment, or failure to escape from a gank, YOU are the one responsible for defending your lewtz. If you feel that you are constantly being outnumbered, well then maybe you should spend a little less time raging on forums, and a little more time attempting to meet and join forces with other players. Hating on reds for rolling in groups is one of the silliest things I've ever heard. If you want to roll solo, and want other people to roll solo, please, go back to Skyrim, where you can live out your days in peace. Reds SHOULD be grouping, they SHOULD be rolling deep, and personally, I'd like to see MORE reds and BIGGER groups of reds. I want to see a big ass IDOC get rolled by 15 reds. Then I want to see a well organized party of 15 blues come in and push them back. Then I want to see a 3rd, entirely different group of reds stroll in and roll both groups. THIS is the kind of PvP I desire. Stat loss does not need to be made more severe; a 2 day vacation is plenty for them to think about what mistakes led them to the stat loss they are experiencing. I was statted on my first red with Old School Perma-Stat for the first time when I was 11 years old. Was it cool? Fuck no, I spent weeks in stat with 60ish counts. Did I learn a lesson from my death? You're damned right. Stat loss is sufficient as is. And this is nothing personal against you, OP, I am STL born and raised. I love dat Provel cheese, I bleed Blue in the winter, and that sweet, sweet Cardinals red in the summertime, but I must disagree strongly. I will have your back any day in the field when fighting against the red scum, but not in this argument.
Reds- Stop Crying. You are red. You chose to be red. No one made you red. You know the consequences for being red. If you think you should be allowed to murder every bard in the world for 10k a pop with no consequences, you are one silly bastard. If you died and lost your head, then you made a mistake, and you shall and should pay the price. Again, whether that mistake was a misclick, a lack of preparation, a wrong turn in a chase, or a simple underestimation of your enemies, YOU fucked up. The blues that killed you didn't fuck up. They aren't ruining anything. Maybe you shouldn't have run into that champ spawn alone like you are God's Gift to UO. Now, if you can avoid those consequences by not dying or by recovering your own head, power to you, you are a skilled red, and I sincerely value your place on the server. I will continue to defend your right to be red, despite my own personal goals, and will forever argue AGAINST increasing the severity of stat loss. Just like blues, it is YOUR responsibility to protect your head, and YOUR responsibility to keep yourself out of stat loss. When you reach the stat loss cap, you are in essence telling the server, "I'm confident enough in my ability to conquer my enemies that I am willing to risk 2 days of play." If you aren't that confident, or aren't willing to risk 2 days of play, GO BACK TO BEING BLUE, or go to factions. If you are one of the apparent minority that ARE that confident of themselves and willing to risk it all to prove your skills without crying like a butthurt teen, once again, power to you, I value your place here, and I would not want to play on a server without players such as you. If you get zerged by a group of blues, STOP FUCKING CRYING. Instead of spending your time raging how you "don't deserve to not play for 2 days" even though your primary profession is the griefing of others, why don't you spend some of that time recruiting and training some more players. Before you stop and say, "but Nigel, everyone else is trash, our guild/group doesn't recruit," just think about how stupid that is. For example, if you think that you can or should win a fight 3v10 at a Champ spawn, you are the single worst battlefield tactician in the history of battles, fields, or tactics. I WANT you guys to roll champs, I ENJOY champ spawn PvP, but in order to do this, you need NUMBERS, something which many of you don't seem to understand. You are so full of yourselves and think you are so good, that you honestly think you should be able to roll in and do whatever you want against whatever odds. You aren't that good. No one is that good. The next time you see gank someone and think, hey, that guy wasn't too bad, instead of saying "EAT SHIT NERD, YOU BAD KID!", maybe you should try something like, "Have a red? We could use some more solid players." They don't need to be the greatest PvPer on earth, because YOU are good....So TRAIN THEM. I train people IRL on a regular basis who have no high school diplomas or GED's on how to use complex data processing and package processing systems; with a little effort, you could easily find and train yourselves some recruits who possess the skills to help your band of scum succeed in their evil endeavors.
TL;DR---- I want to see more Reds, and bigger groups on both sides. Man up. Play the game. Heaven forbid you be SOCIAL in a massively MULTIPLAYER online game and find some more people to roll with. If you don't like groups or people being social and playing together, please, do all of us here a big favor; leave and never look back.
Hello Kitty: Island Adventure awaits you.
besttherewas
Grandmaster
If you enjoy champ pvp, why instant stat them? The reds have limited characters to use. Get rid of stat from champs.
furthermore if the better pk guilds mass recruited you couldn't do a champ without getting rolled.
furthermore if the better pk guilds mass recruited you couldn't do a champ without getting rolled.
Nigel Thornberry
Master
Is that a joke? That's the silliest thing I've seen in this thread so far, and there's a lot of silly comments in here. If you die at a champ, you get statted. Why would any intelligent person allow an enemy a FREE 2nd chance at getting their Powerscroll? That's called playing to lose. No thanks. If you want to roll the champ, then roll the champ, but IF YOU FAIL, you SHOULD and WILL be penalized. To not expect such is just silly talk.
Some One
Master
Well we have all said our peace .Time to stop this silly thread and move on.UOF is fine the way it is.Blues die reds die.OP you got Plenty of ideas on your problem lets see if you listened.
If you want tram just say it...... Otherwise your ideas are just a terrible troll and no use to a server like this.
Poon Doctor
Master
I understand your fear. With an actual risk PKing would be far to close to the way game was before trammel and insurance and the removal of stat for reds.
The only problem I've seen is: There's been several people that I've chopped a head off of. I managed to kill 3 people within a few minutes from the same guild. After turning them in (in stat) they still managed to find a way to kick my ass. The coordinated well, and I give them credit for it. But that fact I get ousted after putting all three of them into stat, and they can make a comeback?
Some may call them good. I call it an unbalance.
This is coming from a guy that gives a shit less about dying. Recall, rereg, screw fame, and move on and make the moolah.
Some may call them good. I call it an unbalance.
This is coming from a guy that gives a shit less about dying. Recall, rereg, screw fame, and move on and make the moolah.
Ambrosius Custard
Neophyte
I'd honestly rather go the 'more incentives to hunt reds' route like a paladin system over a perma statloss route. Mainly because there are reasons you could potentially end up red and not actually be a full on PK as such. Besides, while temp stat loss lets you jump on another character to chill for a while perma stat actively forces you to do one of the best boring things in this game.
Stealing on the other hand is something I feel could do with a bit of an overhaul on this server. Do away with insta guards on thieves and actually make more of a chase with an actual penalty (can't use the stealing skill in that town for a while forcing you to move on and maybe have it so that whoever lands the killing blow gets all of their stuff back you stole without looting) if you're actually caught and killed by a player but more rewarding in a sense that you don't get insta guard whacked so you can actually try to get away if caught.
Stealing on the other hand is something I feel could do with a bit of an overhaul on this server. Do away with insta guards on thieves and actually make more of a chase with an actual penalty (can't use the stealing skill in that town for a while forcing you to move on and maybe have it so that whoever lands the killing blow gets all of their stuff back you stole without looting) if you're actually caught and killed by a player but more rewarding in a sense that you don't get insta guard whacked so you can actually try to get away if caught.
Poptart
Master
Yes, yes I do.
Some One
Master
You all need to go fix WOW Jesus.
besttherewas
Grandmaster
The newbs gunning for perma statloss or further punishments dont pvp on reds.
1 stun or an instant kill from a tamer and it is all over.
And dont give me 'back in the day.... bs...'. Cause back in the day there were no voice programs, target macros or stun punches. People didnt have anywhere near the coordination that exists today or assist programs holding their hands.
UO has changed, but most of the cry babies here haven't. A rock has a better learning ability than alot of the posters here. Infact some of you are so bad at this game after 10 years, that you would probably fair better in a fight if you closed your eyes and palmed your keyboard consecutively. Dont blame the game for your inability to compete in any situation but banksitting.
Even EA uo has no statloss.
Now keep crying kiddies....
1 stun or an instant kill from a tamer and it is all over.
And dont give me 'back in the day.... bs...'. Cause back in the day there were no voice programs, target macros or stun punches. People didnt have anywhere near the coordination that exists today or assist programs holding their hands.
UO has changed, but most of the cry babies here haven't. A rock has a better learning ability than alot of the posters here. Infact some of you are so bad at this game after 10 years, that you would probably fair better in a fight if you closed your eyes and palmed your keyboard consecutively. Dont blame the game for your inability to compete in any situation but banksitting.
Even EA uo has no statloss.
Now keep crying kiddies....
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