Double Strike Relic with Archery

[dobber]

I finally got a double strike relic for my archer. I knew leveling the talisman with archer would be tougher and I know damage would diminish with armor and distance and I know there's only one relic that's supposed to be good for archery. But, I like the play style of archery so I decided I will accept those negative aspects. But, this is utterly ridiculous. I was at a champ spawn on my archer for at least 2 hours and I only procced on the relic 3 times total.

I dropped a skill for swords to see how it works with melee. From some extended testing, I found that while farming some larger mobs, i.e. ogre lords, with a sword, the double strike will proc somewhere around 80% (I think it's somewhat less for smaller mobs) of the time as long as the timer is up. Whereas, the same mob with an archer will proc exactly 0% of the time unless I'm within melee range of the monster!

If this is as intended, I am extremely disappointed. Being in melee range for an archer is completely absurd and not how an archer is intended to be played. For instance, mages don't need to be within melee range for their relics to work because that's absurd too.

 

[dobber]

@eppy or @Shane please respond.

 

[VFingerDiscount]

These are works in progress. Tag @eppy and he's usually open to logical arguments as to what you'd like to see tweaked, etc.

 

[hoodfigure]

Sounds like a bug bro, free bump.

 

[eppy]

I don't recall any maximum distance in any of the relics

 

[eppy]

It's only xp that is penalized

 

[hoodfigure]

Well, test these %%%%s, because sure sounds like a buggggg

 

[eppy]

Well, test these %%%%s, because sure sounds like a buggggg

It wasnt a bug it is indeed set to a distance of one. I will increase the range to 5.

 

[dobber]

If you thought there was no maximum distance for it, why set the range to only 5 now instead of no max?

 

[dobber]

Do mage relics focus and dispersion have a max distance?

 

[VFingerDiscount]

No

 

[eppy]

If you thought there was no maximum distance for it, why set the range to only 5 now instead of no max?

So you have to stay close...

 

[dobber]

Already have to be close for all the other relics and xp gains...this was supposed to be the relic that's not useless. Shane said this relic would work for archers in the original talisman definitions post. This is a pretty big caveat that would have discouraged me from spending all this time and gold to pursue a meta talisman. The long range pew pew was the draw for me...I would've gone for the mage talisman otherwise. Also, me being very likely the only one with this set up currently, it feels kind of personal. My UOF morale is way down.

 

[Peepin'Tom]

I completely agree....a range of 5? That seems silly. Should definitely be max range.

 

[Blaine the Gypsy]

Archer already has the best power PvM. Kiting. What else do you need?

 

[VFingerDiscount]

Archer already has the best power PvM. Kiting. What else do you need?

Aren't you the same guy that just asked for a primer on talismans? Why are you commenting here?

 

[Blaine the Gypsy]

Primer? I asked what relics were out there and what they did...

 

[VFingerDiscount]

Exactly.

 

[Macunzo]

Archer already has the best power PvM. Kiting. What else do you need?

Melee-kiting is running in/out of range 1 in the rhythm of the weapon and the heals. Same same but different.

 

[eppy]

Already have to be close for all the other relics and xp gains...this was supposed to be the relic that's not useless. Shane said this relic would work for archers in the original talisman definitions post. This is a pretty big caveat that would have discouraged me from spending all this time and gold to pursue a meta talisman. The long range pew pew was the draw for me...I would've gone for the mage talisman otherwise. Also, me being very likely the only one with this set up currently, it feels kind of personal. My UOF morale is way down.

It does work for archers. So do the rest of them. Phase shift will put you right on top of the mob. Infected wounds lets you shoot poison arrows. Tread requires you to push the mob so right on top of it. Double strike is a double swing. We never claimed you could just play the same way you always have played a skillset to make it work the best. Some of the top level talismen players have really strange templates to maximize certain skills. An archer can put out some very good damage, but you cant play it like you always have kiting to out of spell range. Shake it up a little and learn how to maximize whatever you find interesting.