Trammel but not trammel

[exince]

I'm not even a tamer and understand what's Adam is saying there's still a huge difference in meta pet and dragon just not when u got try to rape ppl with an insane powered pet. It'll still knock down those monsters asap they just won't shit all over ppl in pvp.

yes.. there is a difference. the meta pets have relics (not working in pvp) and higher skills (not working in pvp). at stage 6 the stats of a meta pet are lower than a regular dragon (not sure about stage 7 pet). if it was intended to make meta pets not intended for pvp, that goal has been achieved.

seems the pk whine worked fine.. not that i care.. i'm a trammel carebear who doesn't either care if he dies and just tries to recall when he sees a red...

 

[Belge]

Its funny that Tap that Thang, and Wendy woppers call people carebears.. when they cry and complain more than any PVMer... a bit like calling the kettle....

 

[ShinPi]

yes.. there is a difference. the meta pets have relics (not working in pvp) and higher skills (not working in pvp). at stage 6 the stats of a meta pet are lower than a regular dragon (not sure about stage 7 pet). if it was intended to make meta pets not intended for pvp, that goal has been achieved.

seems the pk whine worked fine.. not that i care.. i'm a trammel carebear who doesn't either care if he dies and just tries to recall when he sees a red...

Ty for clearing that as I really didn't know i pvm and recall fast as possible when I see more than one red then Com back with my fighter.. really tho ty cause I have no clue of the taming world

 

[K A Z]

looooooooooool



you trammy pokemon trainers are fucking hilarious. He said capped at 100 for PVP u noobfucks. Who said that your pokemons should ever be viable in PVP? And don't gimme the "BUT WE SPENT THE LAST 4 WEEKS OF OUR LIVES ON TRAINING UP THE DRAGON" .. it's a fucking CUSTOM SYSTEM. Everyone with half a brain would have awaited some sort of balancing to them.

 

[Belge]

Lets look at the nerfs for PVM tamers recently.... Gold drops - nerfed on all monsters./ Taming scrolls - nerfed really ALOT, you barly find them now, when you do, they sell for 200k, up from 140to150k when they were more common... / No rares or ANYTHING interesting drops from ANY mob. - / Pets loose 1.0 across all skills when they die (which is much more expensive than using a petball on your pets.)

And now, nerfing meta-pets to the point they are the same as a shitty 10k dragon... when you need really need it, to defend yourself.


Whats next... perma statloss for tamers... that would make these shitty bard killing pks happy i guess...

 

[K A Z]

Lets look at the nerfs for PVM tamers recently.... Gold drops - nerfed on all monsters./ Taming scrolls - nerfed really ALOT, you barly find them now, when you do, they sell for 200k, up from 140to150k when they were more common... / No rares or ANYTHING interesting drops from ANY mob. - / Pets loose 1.0 across all skills when they die (which is much more expensive than using a petball on your pets.)

And now, nerfing meta-pets to the point they are the same as a shitty 10k dragon... when you need really need it, to defend yourself.


Whats next... perma statloss for tamers... that would make these shitty bard killing pks happy i guess...

sorry man but wtf?

the gold drop nerf was introduced because some of you can't behave and have to go on a farming binge every now and then (apparently)

the skillscroll nerf was a bad one, I'll give you that

the pet skilloss was NEEDED. 7X pets were WAY too common and getting your pet killed ment jack-shit. I'd be all up for making petballs harsher and removing the skilloss on death, though


and the fucking meta pokemons.. I've heard stories of Dennoz soloing high end mobs with just his 3-slot Ancient while he ate cheetos and sat on his nightbear. It's not as if these things aren't still SUPER STRONG in PVM (where they belong). There is no reason any beasts should be stronger than normal Dragons/Nightares in PVP since that only causes imbalance (which we already have with bugged pet-speed and bugged all guard me)

 

[Belge]

the problem is... most metapets going to be used to defend against shitty pking reds, that just want to grief pvmers... maybe make it so its nerfed, if you are the aggressor or red.

Honestly, Pvm is SO boring these days.... ill probally just get back into tailoring and deco my house.

 

[Belge]

But, spending 8m + and many boring fuking hours training a pet... only to get no benefit, but to kill afew titans faster, that dont even drop anything worth killing them for... just seems not worth it.

 

[K A Z]

the problem is... most metapets going to be used to defend against shitty pking reds, that just want to grief pvmers... maybe make it so its nerfed, if you are the aggressor or red.

Honestly, Pvm is SO boring these days.... ill probally just get back into tailoring and deco my house.

the only time I see meta pets is when those "bullied PVMers" wall off Destard entrance and lure reds into their death-trap, evilhy noto-PKs with christina luv's red and griefs newbs around destard, dennoz defends his farming grounds at west brit bank or when somebody decides to farm an IDOC. There's no way these things should be any stronger than a normal Dragon in PVP. Pets are strong as is, and there are hardly ANY Pks around. I played a blue only yesterday and found a total of 3 reds. _3_. In a whole day.

PS: Noone forced you guys to train a meta pet. It's custom system, it was said from the start that things might have to be adjusted. Just wait how much people will cry once they've changed the lvl 7 from 3 to 4 petslots.

 

[Belge]

But, you don't want a 25k fee or perma stat loss in dungeons for shitty bard killing reds... ya, and they call us care
bears!

If you go farm regularly as a PMV tamer, you see as many reds as you do PVMers...

 

[exince]

sorry man but wtf?
the pet skilloss was NEEDED. 7X pets were WAY too common and getting your pet killed ment jack-shit. I'd be all up for making petballs harsher and removing the skilloss on death, though

seriously kaz, with all respect.. i know you don't pk much in dungeons, but reading the threads here, pks claiming that there should be no skillloss for pks.. so it's pretty fine to ruin a pvm'ers day, harass the shit out of him, risking absolutely nothing. instead we're talking introducing skill (and xp) loss on pet death? i'm totally ok with skill and xp loss on pets. but wtf... we're talking having a tamer die becoming harsher than having a pk die... not sure if this is a good path to take..

and the fucking meta pokemons.. I've heard stories of Dennoz soloing high end mobs with just his 3-slot Ancient while he ate cheetos and sat on his nightbear. It's not as if these things aren't still SUPER STRONG in PVM (where they belong). There is no reason any beasts should be stronger than normal Dragons/Nightares in PVP since that only causes imbalance (which we already have with bugged pet-speed and bugged all guard me)

relics makes the pets strong in pve.. not the skills.. relics that don't work vs. players. even though, being lvl 6 on my pet i can't confirm it being soooo much stronger in pve than regular dragons (again.. stats are lower, skills mean shit if the pet is out of mana, which during pvm it always is) apart from relics



i will believe tamers are an issue in pvp. with pk hunters playing a tamer.. but most tamers are not pvp tamers, most are just provo tamers with 0 eval and 0 resist. if you die to such a guy, maybe you deserve it. AND i don't see many provo tamers running around hunting pks. if you die to such a guy, you probably deserve it.. it was a fight you choose to pick and should accept the consequences..

 

[K A Z]

But, you don't want a 25k fee or perma stat loss in dungeons for shitty bard killing reds... ya, and they call us care
bears!

If you go farm regularly as a PMV tamer, you see as many reds as you do PVMers...

how can you compare that to 150 magery Pokemons? I mean, we could obviously add permastatloss. That'd lead to even less PKs and even less thrill. Might aswell just add trammel then.


and i call noone a "carebear". I'm just laughing at people that think that their pokemons should make them invincible because they haven't seen sunlight in the last 4 months to rush them to the max asap.

 

[Devil Jin]

i say lets just add trammel and we can all bank sit like one big happy family

 

[K A Z]

seriously kaz, with all respect.. i know you don't pk much in dungeons, but reading the threads here, pks claiming that there should be no skillloss for pks.. so it's pretty fine to ruin a pvm'ers day, harass the shit out of him, risking absolutely nothing. instead we're talking introducing skill (and xp) loss on pet death? i'm totally ok with skill and xp loss on pets. but wtf... we're talking having a tamer die becoming harsher than having a pk die... not sure if this is a good path to take..



relics makes the pets strong in pve.. not the skills.. relics that don't work vs. players. even though, being lvl 6 on my pet i can't confirm it being soooo much stronger in pve than regular dragons (again.. stats are lower, skills mean shit if the pet is out of mana, which during pvm it always is) apart from relics



i will believe tamers are an issue in pvp. with pk hunters playing a tamer.. but most tamers are not pvp tamers, most are just provo tamers with 0 eval and 0 resist. if you die to such a guy, maybe you deserve it. AND i don't see many provo tamers running around hunting pks. if you die to such a guy, you probably deserve it.. it was a fight you choose to pick and should accept the consequences..

how will no statloss outside of guardzones affect pvmers inside dungeons? makes no sense to me. you also can't bring up a recently added CUSTOM SYSTEM to justify any PK changes, makes no sense whatsoever. There's only a certain few on this Shard who have picked up the Pokemon training and everyone else shouldn't suffer because of that. From what I've seen (and I meet these metas quite often) those things OWN in PVM. Not sure if you guys are maybe skilling the wrong relicts but dennoz nd pvpeter go through mobs like its nothing.

 

[Belge]

Maybe, something like.. if your tamer is a PVP, 5x mage style tamer... its nerfed at 100. But, if you a 0 Wrestling, 0 eval bard tamer, its not capped. Im defending the hardworking Pvmer, that can barly defend themselves against pk attacks... be honest, most pvmer suck at PVP, can't react well, and just get shit on by reds.. when they are not even looking for a fight. Those who want to a a real advantage in PVP, that have a pvp-style tamer temp, i agree, should not get an advantage. But, Pvmers with 0 wrestling, 0 eval.. etc, having a slightly better meta-pet (that cost MILLZ and SO MUCH time) should get some kind of defensive value against pks while farming..

 

[exince]

how will no statloss outside of guardzones affect pvmers inside dungeons? makes no sense to me. you also can't bring up a recently added CUSTOM SYSTEM to justify any PK changes, makes no sense whatsoever. There's only a certain few on this Shard who have picked up the Pokemon training and everyone else shouldn't suffer because of that. From what I've seen (and I meet these metas quite often) those things OWN in PVM. Not sure if you guys are maybe skilling the wrong relicts but dennoz nd pvpeter go through mobs like its nothing.

you read here on a daily basis how statsloss is a bad idea. even having no statsloss outside dungeons doesn't seem to outweight the trammel-like statsloss-punishing-system inside dungeons. so yeah.. some ppl seem to think there should be no statsloss at all..

i didn't not claim the pets being weak in pvm.. not at all.. but what makes em strong are the relics.. not the skills.. relics don't work in pvp. this is a pk/tamer discussion. so not pvm related at all...

 

[Devil Jin]

faction = failed
pk = failed
normal pvp = failed
Trammel/pokemas = succses!

so i say again no more need to discus this add trammel and be done with it... <3

 

[Malkraven]

you read here on a daily basis how statsloss is a bad idea. even having no statsloss outside dungeons doesn't seem to outweight the trammel-like statsloss-punishing-system inside dungeons. so yeah.. some ppl seem to think there should be no statsloss at all..

i didn't not claim the pets being weak in pvm.. not at all.. but what makes em strong are the relics.. not the skills.. relics don't work in pvp. this is a pk/tamer discussion. so not pvm related at all...

They never should have had 140+ skills in pvp in first place tamer are already powerful enuff if your not mentality ******** now stop cryin. I really dont get you guys you choose to play on a open pvp server then cry allday long. people play here cos they like both sides of the fence and im so bored of your crying now im done not pking you cos your trixas pal so next time u see me hit that recall asap cos i will kill you and your silly color pet as much as possible.

P.S ive spent days lvling my meta just like you guys pvm with no pks is boring.Tamers are mroe than capable with young dragons (ask bruno). they only difference is he has some pvp skills.

 

[K A Z]

Maybe, something like.. if your tamer is a PVP, 5x mage style tamer... its nerfed at 100. But, if you a 0 Wrestling, 0 eval bard tamer, its not capped. Im defending the hardworking Pvmer, that can barly defend themselves against pk attacks... be honest, most pvmer suck at PVP, can't react well, and just get shit on by reds.. when they are not even looking for a fight. Those who want to a a real advantage in PVP, that have a pvp-style tamer temp, i agree, should not get an advantage. But, Pvmers with 0 wrestling, 0 eval.. etc, having a slightly better meta-pet (that cost MILLZ and SO MUCH time) should get some kind of defensive value against pks while farming..

why? this ruins game balance. The exact same people that love their pokemons more than anything else are the same that are usually saying they'd quit if there would ever be wands, because it is "item pvp". So let me ask you this: Where's the difference between a wand and you people requesting to be invincible because you've spent many hours + gold on training a meta ? There is no reason a pure PVM tamer (who has no PVP skills for maximum profit) should ever stand a fair chance against a 7x PVP char. You guys can always RECALL OUT. If, however, you want to continue to go by this logic, I'd suggest adding a pokemon-shield, which I, as a PK, can buy from the goldsink vendor and which protects me from firebreaths. Could be priced at 8 million GP and I'd have to level it up. Sounds like a nice idea, doesn't it?

 

[Karl Sagan]

Maybe, something like.. if your tamer is a PVP, 5x mage style tamer... its nerfed at 100. But, if you a 0 Wrestling, 0 eval bard tamer, its not capped. Im defending the hardworking Pvmer, that can barly defend themselves against pk attacks... be honest, most pvmer suck at PVP, can't react well, and just get shit on by reds.. when they are not even looking for a fight. Those who want to a a real advantage in PVP, that have a pvp-style tamer temp, i agree, should not get an advantage. But, Pvmers with 0 wrestling, 0 eval.. etc, having a slightly better meta-pet (that cost MILLZ and SO MUCH time) should get some kind of defensive value against pks while farming..

I don't see any reason meta pets should 'fix' a PvM centered build to be viable in PvP.

A meta pet is for farming big mobs fast.

If you want to have a chance in pvp with a tamer, use a pvp tamer template. Or farm in a group, etc etc.