The State of UOF (PKs and purple pots)

[K A Z]

Or, a lot of the people who are making suggestions, and who don't PvP here, used to PvP constantly elsewhere.

So, it's like a former NASA scientist telling current NASA scientists that there's an issue with their craft, and using schematics and statistics to support their opinion. Feel free to disregard that opinion, but they might be right.

so just because Apollo 11 (or w/e) was a pretty fly thing NASA should stick with it's design? Is that what you're saying? I personally think that some people should just break out of their 1997 time bubble, and accept reality: PVP has changed, drastically.

If you love PvP in general, this suggestion would do nothing to deter you from playing, and you'd keep playing if it were implemented.

Sounds like perfect reasoning to pursue change.

I'd probably keep playing, but not on UOF. Why should a PVPer play a PVP System that was dictated upon him by a bunch of trammys ? Makes no sense. I don't fuck around with PVMing or crafting, and you guys should maybe stop trying to fuck around with our PVP, aight?

 

[drasked]

So, it's like a former NASA scientist telling current NASA scientists that there's an issue with their craft, and using schematics and statistics to support their opinion. Feel free to disregard that opinion, but they might be right.

Except that you are no former NASA scientist in regards of UO PVP. You are a kid that had a NASA poster on his wall and liked the design of the rocket on that specific poster.

 

[stunoma.]

I don't use explosion pots. I have done fine for myself playing UOR. You don't need to 1v1 to be a good pvper. Group pvp can be very fun. My only concern is that I don't ever see anyone on when I log in.


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[Winstonian]

K A Z: It's not your PvP. Sorry man... maybe that's the issue here. Maybe that's why you seem to be taking this personally.

PvP doesn't belong to the few. PvP is a key play style on most UO shards, an especially this one. Those that play UOF have an interest in PvP at some level. If "trammies", or "players that don't share your opinion on the state of UOF PvP" would like things to be adjusted so that more of the playerbase can get into PvP, those suggestions should be welcome.

You have such an arrogance because you like expl pots, and you think that entitles you to tell others when they can try to make suggestions to improve PvP. Sorry bruh. I don't see a red bar under your name (thank god).

 

[Winstonian]

Except that you are no former NASA scientist in regards of UO PVP. You are a kid that had a NASA poster on his wall and liked the design of the rocket on that specific poster.

I used to ONLY PvP. Honestly, I never had a tamer or bard until I got to this server. Just because I don't like throwing pots doesn't mean I haven't spent the majority of my time on UO PvPing.

 

[K A Z]

K A Z: It's not your PvP. Sorry man... maybe that's the issue here. Maybe that's why you seem to be taking this personally.

PvP doesn't belong to the few. PvP is a key play style on most UO shards, an especially this one. Those that play UOF have an interest in PvP at some level. If "trammies", or "players that don't share your opinion on the state of UOF PvP" would like things to be adjusted so that more of the playerbase can get into PvP, those suggestions should be welcome.

You have such an arrogance because you like expl pots, and you think that entitles you to tell others when they can try to make suggestions to improve PvP. Sorry bruh. I don't see a red bar under your name (thank god).

So very wrong. A fact about UO is that there are hardcore PVPers (like myself or @drasked) who build the backbone of a Shard's PVP. Fuck them over, and your Shard's PVP goes to shit and becomes non-existant. It's not that hard to grasp. Make an Ebolt cannon and join EQMS, you can always be one of @GluttonySDS 's side kicks.

 

[Winstonian]

So very wrong. A fact about UO is that there are hardcore PVPers (like myself or @drasked) who build the backbone of a Shard's PVP. Fuck them over, and your Shard's PVP goes to shit and becomes non-existant. It's not that hard to grasp. Make an Ebolt cannon and join EQMS, you can always be one of @GluttonySDS 's side kicks.

He invited me once before. I respect the guy, but have no interest.

You really think that the shards PvP would "go to shit" if potions required Alchemy and Parrying countered them? Those two tweaks and game goes to shit? That's asinine.

 

[drasked]

You really think that the shards PvP would "go to shit" if potions required Alchemy and Parrying countered them? Those two tweaks and game goes to shit? That's asinine.

This would ruin all templates that don't run alchemy. How can you not see this?

 

[K A Z]

He invited me once before. I respect the guy, but have no interest.

You really think that the shards PvP would "go to shit" if potions required Alchemy and Parrying countered them? Those two tweaks and game goes to shit? That's asinine.

Ehm, yea? Parrying would become the number 1 defensive skill (super strong against melee + nullifies explopots) and we would end up with a very dull, and very defensive system.

 

[Winstonian]

This would ruin all templates that don't run alchemy. How can you not see this?

I've explained it. You need to consider the change it would cause outside of the obvious.

Parry dexers would get a sharp increase in use. Parrying would make Alchemy borderline irrlevant for that fight. Some of those mages would have an alt with other skills geared towards killing parry dexers. Suddenly, you've got different builds on the field.

 

[Winstonian]

Ehm, yea? Parrying would become the number 1 defensive skill (super strong against melee + nullifies explopots) and we would end up with a very dull, and very defensive system.

Exactly!! So some mages would then shift to scribe or heal or poisoning (if buffed), skills that would be better against parry dexers. Poof.

Of course, the running needs to be fixed anyway.

 

[K A Z]

Exactly!! So some mages would then shift to scribe or heal or poisoning (if buffed), skills that would be better against parry dexers. Poof.

Of course, the running needs to be fixed anyway.

How is scribe good against parry dexxers? And how is poisoning viable? You see: you're talking about stuff you have no clue about !

 

[drasked]

Exactly!! So some mages would then shift to scribe or heal or poisoning (if buffed), skills that would be better against parry dexers. Poof.

Of course, the running needs to be fixed anyway.

If explo pots can't damage a dexer, the dexer is not going to die against any template. Why do you think templates not running alchemy would somehow become more viable if you remove the use of explo pots for them.

 

[K A Z]

If explo pots can't damage a dexer, the dexer is not going to die against any template. Why do you think templates not running alchemy would somehow become more viable if you remove the use of explo pots for them.

it's the eternal power of nostalgia

 

[Winstonian]

How is scribe good against parry dexxers? And how is poisoning viable? You see: you're talking about stuff you have no clue about !

What?! Do you need me to explain to you how Protection with GM Scribe benefits a mage during a fight against a dexer? Are you drunk?

I said, repeatedly, that Poisoning would be used IF IT WERE BUFFED. It used to be an option back in the day.

 

[drasked]

it's the eternal power of nostalgia

I just don't see how someone can argue the result of a change on a meta he doesn't understand and get a like from @Shane while doing it, absolutely mind boggling.

 

[Winstonian]

If explo pots can't damage a dexer, the dexer is not going to die against any template. Why do you think templates not running alchemy would somehow become more viable if you remove the use of explo pots for them.

Woah. This is a sad state of things. If I were using a parry dexer, and you were on a stun mage, and I didn't offscreen, you couldn't kill me? That's pathetic. Maybe the issue is the current 'leet' PvPers.

 

[K A Z]

What?! Do you need me to explain to you how Protection with GM Scribe benefits a mage during a fight against a dexer? Are you drunk?

I said, repeatedly, that Poisoning would be used IF IT WERE BUFFED. It used to be an option back in the day.

god, I think I'm done with you. You're definitely living in a time bubble and have never tried PVP on UOF.

I just don't see how someone can argue the result of a change on a meta he doesn't understand and get a like from @Shane while doing it, absolutely mind boggling.

Unfortunately, Shane has not much knowledge about PVP, either. He knows that, too, and has hired guys like Jamiez to work with the PVP System.

 

[Winstonian]

god, I think I'm done with you. You're definitely living in a time bubble and have never tried PVP on UOF.

What are you talking about? I've run scribe on my mages in PvP here, and casting without getting interrupted led to me either 1) killing the dexer, or, most likely 2) having him run screens away after initiating the fight with me in the first place. Unless Inscription bonuses were removed within the last 6 months...

 

[Darkarna]

I just don't see how someone can argue the result of a change on a meta he doesn't understand and get a like from @Shane while doing it, absolutely mind boggling.

Maybe Shane thought that the idea regarding this held ground in some way? Perhaps not what has been described in here but the possibility of something stemming from the idea. Not really a thought wrenching possibility unless you are adamantly against anything provided in this thread.