i think removing the auto buyback of heads is a great option regardless of this sigil being available or not, but as long as this sigil is in game, it would be foolish to be a red and NOT be in a faction. That would mean roughly 1/4th of active reds will be invulnerable to any form of retribution. Going red is suppose to be a penalty. I understand that many here enjoy the easy loot of provo archers and tamers running champs but changes like this discourage play. Even giving players access to blessed vanq grade weapons gives an insane advantage to a non factioner. Honestly keep Factions to factions for PVP. If someone wants to run a faction toon for the other benefits then let them do so.
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i think removing the auto buyback of heads is a great option regardless of this sigil being available or not, but as long as this sigil is in game, it would be foolish to be a red and NOT be in a faction. That would mean roughly 1/4th of active reds will be invulnerable to any form of retribution. Going red is suppose to be a penalty. I understand that many here enjoy the easy loot of provo archers and tamers running champs but changes like this discourage play. Even giving players access to blessed vanq grade weapons gives an insane advantage to a non factioner. Honestly keep Factions to factions for PVP. If someone wants to run a faction toon for the other benefits then let them do so.
High Plains Drifter
Adept
This is just a whole bunch of pre-emptive QQ ing. Until we see reds with blessed runic spears running willy nilly on pvm spots, don't complain about it.
They will mostly be concerned with faction figjting, not grabbing your 7k
If it's a big prob they'll wotk to find a balance.
They will mostly be concerned with faction figjting, not grabbing your 7k
If it's a big prob they'll wotk to find a balance.
Karl Sagan
Grandmaster
I agree it will be a desirable sigil.
Any way to track how many murders by faction reds?
Please keep the sigil valuable and apply any nerfs slowly.
Messremb
Grandmaster
Make auto head buy back based on total kills (100-500 per kill) remove the max head buy back or raise it to 100k at least.
make max statloss 3 days,
make this sigil give 10k head buy backs, and max 8 hour stat loss.
this provides lots of PVP over this sigil without making it total tram fro reds.
Messremb
Grandmaster
every red will join factions If this is an option as there is no downside to joining on reds.
God.RG
Grandmaster
if they do this, then the 25k from auto buy back should not go to the person that statted.
at this point, there is no reason to negotiate.
im harsher on pk's myself but a sigil that offers an auto buyback options, and remove it for everyone else i think would be good move
God.RG
Grandmaster
no way man. don't remove it..
if anything, keep it in.. shit, raise it if you want.. but make all 30k or whatever it is go into a gold sink.
there is no point at this moment in time for people to negotiate, because even if they stat they can get 25k which is bullshit.
Messremb
Grandmaster
Most PKs wont even pay 5k for their heads, its PKs that have caused this issue not the people stating them, if they use auto head buy back it should be 75% to player 25% to gold sink. if they work it out all gold should go to player.
add an area that tells you how many counts a PK has in the head buyback screen, that way you can offer a deal that gets the player more and the PK pays less.
God.RG
Grandmaster
no, it should be 100% gold sink. period.
why should a blue vulture negotiate with a red that wants their head when they can just insta stat and get 25k?
thats stupid.
Messremb
Grandmaster
they killed the red they should be rewarded that way there are red hunters to counter the PKs and creating PVP which is what you claim to want right?
God.RG
Grandmaster
Creating pvp = insta statting to get the full amount?
no.
Messremb
Grandmaster
creating pvp= killing bards, no
this gets real PVPers out looking for reds, and its not even costing the PKs any extra money. there should be an extra charge to PKs for getting killed by a PVP build, since that's providing them the PVP they claim to want.
Guwap
Grandmaster
I'm all for raising the price on buyback if it's determined by murder counts, but only if there is something desirable to acquire from those counts. Murderer title rewards pleaaasssee? They could be temporary for certain kill amounts. Get statted and lose those kills, lose the title. Also non-tradeable to discourage macro kill farming and more reds on the server.
As of now it's just bragging rights on the murderer board and we've seen how easy it is to macro counts (lol). Buyback needs to stay though, or even be improved. Some people throw heads in boxes and wait to stat when the red is offline so the head cannot be bought back even with auto buyback enabled. 9 hours to turn in with 4 minutes to buy back? Those times should be reversed or at least tweaked some.
Regardless, this sigil in its current state is gonna make every red want to join factions. I've always enjoyed playing as a red in UO but never liked factions. This no cut shit got me hard but at the same time I dread the inevitable surplus of blue cry threads that will appear because of this.
As of now it's just bragging rights on the murderer board and we've seen how easy it is to macro counts (lol). Buyback needs to stay though, or even be improved. Some people throw heads in boxes and wait to stat when the red is offline so the head cannot be bought back even with auto buyback enabled. 9 hours to turn in with 4 minutes to buy back? Those times should be reversed or at least tweaked some.
Regardless, this sigil in its current state is gonna make every red want to join factions. I've always enjoyed playing as a red in UO but never liked factions. This no cut shit got me hard but at the same time I dread the inevitable surplus of blue cry threads that will appear because of this.
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God.RG
Grandmaster
you're missing the point completely.
besttherewas
Grandmaster
The trammel tears in this thread has delivered exceptional laughs.
Most these blues wouldn't last a minute being red, yet have the audacity to say there is no downside.
Try being red and having 5 man stun gank squads tailing your ass, then if u die you lose all your loot, get out of commission for 48 hours or forced to pay 30k...
It's hard being red.
Most these blues wouldn't last a minute being red, yet have the audacity to say there is no downside.
Try being red and having 5 man stun gank squads tailing your ass, then if u die you lose all your loot, get out of commission for 48 hours or forced to pay 30k...
It's hard being red.
Bromista
Grandmaster
Yeah I can see and agree with arguments from both sides.
why should
Thats funny because I was just attacked on my blue, but a 5 man red gank squad... YOU CHOOSE TO GO RED, there is suppose to be a RISK and a REWARD. your reward is you get to farm pvm toons that tend to have decent gear, regs and depending where money and macro kits. The RISK is that you will die loose your head and loose 30k. The only trammel is the one reds are getting.. If you want to complain lets go back to 99 rule set where you get 8 hours perma stat loss per short term count... you act like it is hard being red here, but this rule set is pure trammel and could honestly have the same results as Tram did for OSI
Yeah it would only really impact a few PKers??? You mean it will only really benefit POWER because they are the ones that cry its a hard life for reds...
Also since they are all aussie im sure they will be capping this during the hours when noone plays.
Good Game
Just curious how this will mostly be concerned with faction fighting? 99% of the reds that are in factions DONT FACTION
The only reds that faction fight are , Marley, Aga, Shake, Brooklyns, and Stunoma. There are no other red factioners that faction. Period
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