PvP Solution - Battleground?
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Winstonian
Grandmaster
That's cute. Not only do I have two faction chars here, but I joined this shard weeks ago. It's adorable that you assume you know who I am (and assume that I don't PvP).
Yes Gore. You know everyone worth knowing. If you don't know them, they must not PvP. #internetpopularity
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besttherewas
Grandmaster
Stupid idea.
put in the no statloss and champ spawn idea in bucs (50% less spawn required to be killed), it may sound sad but people need incentives to fight. Plus if there is no reason for people to be in an area they wont bother hanging around, therefore no fights.
Obviously would have to remove the free for all there as well, since blue pvpers are much weaker.
the devs need to understand that most of the shard wants red v blue, since most the kids wanting pvp dont like being attackable (be it orange or red), they prefer to attack when it suits them and make up lies on the forums afterwards.
factions has failed miserably since it is just log off unless u can gank and red v blue isnt working well because blues get soo butt hurt over dying they instant stat for their 'revenge' after ganking the shit out of the reds.
put in the no statloss and champ spawn idea in bucs (50% less spawn required to be killed), it may sound sad but people need incentives to fight. Plus if there is no reason for people to be in an area they wont bother hanging around, therefore no fights.
Obviously would have to remove the free for all there as well, since blue pvpers are much weaker.
the devs need to understand that most of the shard wants red v blue, since most the kids wanting pvp dont like being attackable (be it orange or red), they prefer to attack when it suits them and make up lies on the forums afterwards.
factions has failed miserably since it is just log off unless u can gank and red v blue isnt working well because blues get soo butt hurt over dying they instant stat for their 'revenge' after ganking the shit out of the reds.
Minory
Expert
Battleground would be exact to WoW so I think you have to be different, but I know what you mean. I'm not sure what the solution is, I mean, you know this is a game so... I stopped pvping, because I didn't find an incentive in it. Killing random people made no sense, they didn't have much fight so I didn't enjoy it. I thought it was a waste of time. Pvp needs a point. Similar to factions, hey, why not faction wars? Why not have an initiation point in each faction town where you can join a battle. It can be straight for factioners. I'm not sure what it would look like, or how you develop it, but that would be my bet. A npc in each faction zone that enlists you for faction war. I got it! Why not have a reward? Here's how it would work: Each faction "home" would have one npc that states an area (perhaps just towns until an expansive 'idea' is needed) where the faction that 'takes over' the area (and, the objective can change) wins. The rewards can change. You can have a set time interval to create interest. It doesn't have to be immediate. This would generate population to pvp by way of faction, and generate the idea behind pvp which is 'games.' What does everyone think?
K A Z
Grandmaster
call other players mum a **** - get your mum called a **** -> fight over it -----> P V P
Minory
Expert
Hm, it says you're a student, I find it hard to believe you're learning anything.
K A Z
Grandmaster
Winstonian
Grandmaster
This is... lame. Players want red vs blue because getting ganked by an organized group, dry looted and disrespected isn't enjoyable. You know when people participate the most? During organized shard events, when players can attack - and be attacked - freely.
Calling blue PvPers "weaker" is a complete joke.
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K A Z
Grandmaster
Again: you seem to have issues being not right about something. Please try and work on yourself. Those Battlegrounds would just turn in yet another place for good PVPers to stomp worse PVPers and would therefore encourage nothing at all.
Minory
Expert
I don't think you get it. What are you doing!? What is your purpose to play the game? If you can answer that, you'll see the good 'other' people are trying to do. I think you're just a troll, a good one at that.
K A Z
Grandmaster
No. His idea is just stupid. I've been playing this game for ways too long (13 fucking years?!). I've seen it all. On many fucking Freeshards. People won't just start PVPing. They'll try out Battlegrounds, get owned in there and will never go back in. Some people just get butt-hurt over dying - I don't understand it myself but it is like that. There are some that can handle dying and want to come back to take revenge - but the most people just log out once they've died.
The main reason why red vs blue PVP on UOF is way bigger than Factions is, by the way, that most players like to use their chars for absolutely everything. From Banksitting, to house decorating, to stocking up vendors up to doing chamspawns. And on what other char but a Blue mage can you do that? There's unfortunately not much you can change about it. Just hope that more and more people see the beauty in organized PVP and eventually come and join it. I mean.. it's UO not fucking rocket science to deliever and heal a drop.
Winstonian
Grandmaster
Your intro is fitting.
Not only would the "worse" PvPers get pissed off and band together to overthrow the "better" PvPers, but those "worse" PvPers would gain experience and improve, which would also improve the quality of the PvPers on this shard.
So: those players would work together, get better at field PvP, join groups together and probably branch off into factions. At the worst, the shard's interest and popularity would skyrocket, bringing in a bunch of new (and experienced) players.
You take pride in thinking you're right. Keep going with that.
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K A Z
Grandmaster
I'm done arguing with you. In every Thread I've encountered you so far I've seen you doing the same. You brought up some uber trammy topic and then tried to defend it with a huge lack of knowledge about the UO scene and Ultima Online in general. It's pointless. Go ahead and suggest things like this.
Do you want to know the reason why stuff like this will never happen?
Exactly. Because I'm right.
PS: Actually they have something similar already: It's called CTF.
Winstonian
Grandmaster
What the fuck are you talking about? A lack of knowledge about UO in general? Believe that, man. Believe that, because you support a dead factions system, you "know more", when examples from this shard prove you completely wrong.
Here are the facts: PvP on this shard is at its peak during staff-run events. In the past, the best PvP came from server wars and Test Center. Factions is dead. Get the hint man.
So, feel free to keep thinking you know what's best by supporting a system that's failing. I'll give suggestions based on elements that have proven to provide great PvP in the past: keep sitting by WBB looking for a fight.
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K A Z
Grandmaster
What you're promoting would be BORING. It's TRAMMEL, PRE-UOR, it's the reason why this Game DIED. This era LIVES off risk vs. reward.
Winstonian
Grandmaster
This era lives? The lack of field PvP we're seeing is a sign of a living era of PvP? Good work detective.
It's boring? You don't participate in the staff-run events? (Bullshit.)
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halygon
Grandmaster
KAZ, quit trolling this thread, regardless of the fact that your initial comments about the battle grounds are sound. Winstonian - stop feeding the KAZ troll, he only wants more food.
...and back to the topic. The battle grounds idea sounds exactly like a trammel version of the duel pits. I'm not trying to insult, but it isn't a very sound proposal based on the fact that the duel pits already exist and there are plenty of places to pvp.
Also, anyone who actually helped out the shard by testing the new core on the test server knows that the devs have been putting together a large FFA area similar to the pits but bigger. This may satisfy your battle grounds urge if it is rolled out anytime soon.
...and back to the topic. The battle grounds idea sounds exactly like a trammel version of the duel pits. I'm not trying to insult, but it isn't a very sound proposal based on the fact that the duel pits already exist and there are plenty of places to pvp.
Also, anyone who actually helped out the shard by testing the new core on the test server knows that the devs have been putting together a large FFA area similar to the pits but bigger. This may satisfy your battle grounds urge if it is rolled out anytime soon.
Winstonian
Grandmaster
Wow.
My idea is getting criticized for being too much like trammel, when something similar is being developed. Outstanding.
I'm happy then. A large FFA area without looting is perfect to engage the masses in PvP.
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urnotindanger
Expert
It seems that PvP here is effected by loot? What, few regs and pots? For as long as ive known and come to understand.......
PvP is a Gentlemen Game which few do not understand. Only true pvpers would understand that its not about the loot bag. We didnt come for that. You have to understand and i know only few who do respect the game knows its for pure action and adrenaline rush as well as to be the best. Your group gets dropped, hurry and get ressed, loot your body and lets do this shit again. Or maybe you killed some reds, sell their head back 10k and let the battle continue. Why sit them out? Only at the highest level of PvPers understand this. Every now and then, or maybe sometimes often, you come across those who are new to the PvP scene who will loot your ass dryer than a camels toe. A few regs or pots, we understand, but respect the game and the game will respect you.
PvP is a Gentlemen Game which few do not understand. Only true pvpers would understand that its not about the loot bag. We didnt come for that. You have to understand and i know only few who do respect the game knows its for pure action and adrenaline rush as well as to be the best. Your group gets dropped, hurry and get ressed, loot your body and lets do this shit again. Or maybe you killed some reds, sell their head back 10k and let the battle continue. Why sit them out? Only at the highest level of PvPers understand this. Every now and then, or maybe sometimes often, you come across those who are new to the PvP scene who will loot your ass dryer than a camels toe. A few regs or pots, we understand, but respect the game and the game will respect you.
Winstonian
Grandmaster
That's certainly not the case here. Respect is void from the majority of this place, the excuse being that it's the way this game is supposed to be.
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