Peacemaking now a criminal act?

[GoD PaRtiCal]

Gold pouches are a new mechanic. Popping them is an aggressive act... be it for gieifing and or as a pvp tactic. The aggressor should turn grey to the victim.

No its not a new mechanic, its a gold sink item that consolidates multiple standard pouches -- which equates to the same thing except we get the benefit of them being blessed. Popping them is not aggressive in the least hence no criminal act.

 

[Bromista]

Popping your own pouch damages you. Popping someone else's pouch does not damage them. No harm, no foul. That's that.

I admit that my thieves spend a lot of time on the shelf, but they exist because they are a valid playstyle. What you will never find me doing is snooping someone to blow their pouches because I have better shit to do with my time. That is not a valid playstyle, so go right ahead and let people show their asses. That's a hanes move and it's beneath anyone that has any ability or drive to play this game.

The only thing that comes to mind is when $ was multi-clienting RDAs all day every day and I would drain the pouches of afk alts, which was a reasonable thing to do given the situation.

If you're on a char who is regularly in a position to have their blessed pouch blown, like say a tamer or whatever any PvM char or char that will be stationary in a high population area for any amount of time, keep no more than 5 charges. Recharge as necessary.

If you're on a PvP char then there's no reason to keep your pouch less than full because you shouldn't ever be a target for snoopers in the first place. I mean really you have to be pretty careless to let it happen and it's an easy enough fix even for a pure dexer - just go get your backup pouches.

 

[Lexington]

No its not a new mechanic, its a gold sink item that consolidates multiple standard pouches -- which equates to the same thing except we get the benefit of them being blessed. Popping them is not aggressive in the least hence no criminal act.

What's the purpose of popping a trapped pouch?

 

[Bromista]

Three reasons, the way I see it:

• just for the sake of the grief (literally the cheapest of all thrills)
• to take the play away from the player because they anticipate combat
• to take the play away from the player in the hopes that it may get them killed down the road because they are expecting to blow a pouch that isn't there (yea boy)

UO brings out the weird in people. As someone who mains a tamer, I have been amazed by the lengths people will go to in order to cost me a tiny amount of time or gold - even if they stand nothing to gain in the process.

You're not really surprised that someone does these things, are you? All it takes is two clicks and holding down last object...near-instant cheap grief.

Players should always be able to blow others pouches, pouches should not behave differently than normal pouches aside from being blessed IMO, so it's all good.

 

[GoD PaRtiCal]

What's the purpose of popping a trapped pouch?

In addition to what @Bromista said, I'd like to add:

• To piss @Lexington off

Griefing isn't exactly productive in UO, and doesn't get you much except for satisfaction for those that like to give it to the griefer. Thank you for being one of those.

 

[Darkarna]

Players should always be able to blow others pouches

UO Porn at its finest. Ahem.

• To piss @Lexington off

The only bullet point that applies to any griefsta..

 

[Lexington]

In addition to what @Bromista said, I'd like to add:

• To piss @Lexington off

Griefing isn't exactly productive in UO, and doesn't get you much except for satisfaction for those that like to give it to the griefer. Thank you for being one of those.

Didn't think you had an answer... Let me answer it for you.

With regular trapped pouches you can carry item... so you need to blow the pouch to see what's inside. Gold sink pouches can not carry items... so the only reason to pop it is, like you said, to piss of others. I never figure you to be someone that would shy away from flagging grey as a result. I guess you learn something new every day. LOL

 

[Bromista]

I was going to mention that difference, but I didn't think it would matter much because it actually serves to bolster our point. If anything, blowing a standard trapped pouch should flag as aggressive because it grants access to another layer of containers within a players pack. A blessed pouch offers you no such novelty as it cannot actually be used to hold anything of value.

I am still of the opinion that the action of merely looking within a container is not aggressive enough to warrant criminal status anyway though.

I think this has gone far enough off-topic. Blowing pouches is kosher. Peace is a different story and there are several nuances which make for an actually interesting discussion. Trapped pouches are not an interesting discussion.

 

[Lexington]

I was going to mention that difference, but I didn't think it would matter much because it actually serves to bolster our point. If anything, blowing a standard trapped pouch should flag as aggressive because it grants access to another layer of containers within a players pack. A blessed pouch offers you no such novelty as it cannot actually be used to hold anything of value.

I am still of the opinion that the action of merely looking within a container is not aggressive enough to warrant criminal status anyway though.

I think this has gone far enough off-topic. Blowing pouches is kosher. Peace is a different story and there are several nuances which make for an actually interesting discussion. Trapped pouches are not an interesting discussion.

I'm surprised at the resistance... not suggesting anyone get guard wacked... just turn grey to the victim.

 

[Bromista]

Err I meant to be consistent with the first paragraph - aggression.

Peace is an odd skill. It absolutely, utterly sucks for PvM. AoE cooldown compared to it's duration means that it has little practical PvM use. Champs, RDAs, and maybe in some bad situations that you have to go out pretty far out of your way to find.

Direct peace sucks dog nuts. High failure rate and low duration.

My take: if the best use for peace is for bumping your skill cap or training taming because it fails miserably in PvM then it probly ought to flag to any blues effected (like a theft) but not make players crim to those that were outside range. NPCs should not be effected and peacing should only be a direct criminal act if an innocent is targeted directly. Otherwise it's too effective of a grief tool with too little practical application.

 

[GoD PaRtiCal]

Didn't think you had an answer... Let me answer it for you.

With regular trapped pouches you can carry item... so you need to blow the pouch to see what's inside. Gold sink pouches can not carry items... so the only reason to pop it is, like you said, to piss of others. I never figure you to be someone that would shy away from flagging grey as a result. I guess you learn something new every day. LOL

Doesn't really matter if it holds an item or not. Now, if they steal that item it is a criminal act. You might as well say because a container *could* hold an item, snooping it should be a criminal act - give me a break!

But to the point you are trying to ignore but is the heart of the issue ... it just pisses you off. If you really wanted to protect an item, put it in a tinker trapped box so the explosion actually kills or lock it away in a locked box.

 

[Young Star]

AoE peace should work like it did before and direct peacemaking should be an aggressive act. AoE peace is pretty easy to break and does not last very long. At the least it should be made a little smarter. Not effect anything that is innocent or green to you. Currently it seems like you could potentially turn red with one AoE peace

 

[Bromista]

Agreed 100% and I'd love to see it made a little stronger for direct peacing because people basically do not use this skill. Encourage direct peacing!

 

[So Bad So Sad]

Im with Lexington on the pouch turning people grey but not guard wacking.

 

[Lexington]

Doesn't really matter if it holds an item or not. Now, if they steal that item it is a criminal act. You might as well say because a container *could* hold an item, snooping it should be a criminal act - give me a break!

But to the point you are trying to ignore but is the heart of the issue ... it just pisses you off. If you really wanted to protect an item, put it in a tinker trapped box so the explosion actually kills or lock it away in a locked box.

It totally pisses me off.. that's the whole point I'm making! You're right on the money! I've never denied that. I want the ability to attack someone that pops a blessed pooch just to piss me off. In no way do I want to keep them from doing it or have them guard wacked! Personal justice is all! It's not to muck to ask!

 

[So Bad So Sad]

"Blessed pooch"

 

[Young Star]

popping a pouch should make them grey to you just like if they stole something. essentially they did. they stole a charge. a charge may have only a small pittance of value but value none-the-less. The offender should turn perma grey just like any other common thief.

 

[GoD PaRtiCal]

It totally pisses me off.. that's the whole point I'm making! You're right on the money! I've never denied that. I want the ability to attack someone that pops a blessed pooch just to piss me off. In no way do I want to keep them from doing it or have them guard wacked! Personal justice is all! It's not to muck to ask!

My point is that you do not want this to make the game better, you want it so you can have sweet revenge (not justice) on those that piss you off.

popping a pouch should make them grey to you just like if they stole something. essentially they did. they stole a charge. a charge may have only a small pittance of value but value none-the-less. The offender should turn perma grey just like any other common thief.

Don't you start too... "Essentially" they stole nothing as they got nothing to walk away with.

 

[Lexington]

My point is that you do not want this to make the game better, you want it so you can have sweet revenge (not justice) on those that piss you off.


Don't you start too... "Essentially" they stole nothing as they got nothing to walk away with.

I think you're running out of valid reasons to justify your point. That response is weak for you.

 

[GoD PaRtiCal]

I think you're running out of valid reasons to justify your point. That response is weak for you.