Infected Wounds Relic Change / Suggestions

Bromista

Bromista

Grandmaster
I mean two things:

If you could have this ability against the arch daemon to make him wander around in confusion it would cause the newbs who don't know what they are doing at the arch daemon (there are already so many of those) to un-stack frequently. Granted, they are unstacked most of the time anyway...but if you are unstacked you get hit with crazy insta killing blood attacks and daemon fire.

It sucks doing the arch daemon with total newbs.

And also the second part of that was a reference to our alliance jamming our fists in and out of Tony's bhole (as well as his pets) at the arch daemon before and after it died last night.

I think someone had a baseball bat up there as well :eek:
 
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Memphist

Grandmaster
@TheFallen , to remove the delay from the talisman if you die would be realy stupid from the staff.
The reason is simple, i could do highend bosses easy alone with my metadexer. If you die you can get ressed from a second char or a friend
and fight the boss again with all specials.
 
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TheFallen

Grandmaster
Memphist said:
@TheFallen , to remove the delay from the talisman if you die would be realy stupid from the staff.
The reason is simple, i could do highend bosses easy alone with my metadexer. If you die you can get ressed from a second char or a friend
and fight the boss again with all specials.
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You can do this with any char. Just because you have buffed your chat doesn't mean you should have to sit out. I can do this with a pet and just keep sending it in on a boss to die. Also not really any high end bosses where you don't have other people anyways so you will likely lose your loot using this method.
 
Bromista

Bromista

Grandmaster
I think what he means is the brutal efficiency at which a berserker can take down a boss.

It's really fucking insane. Ariakan can outscore me almost 3:1 and I have one of the major relics. He can pump out 20k damage on the arch daemon in NO time.

That double strike, jesus christ. Can't wait til I get one of those. Pretty much guaranteed PS from a boss.
 
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TheFallen

Grandmaster
For regular farming 15 mins is way to long.
For bosses 15 is way to long (most bosses are dead in less time).
As far as having your talisman up after death I really don't see this as an abuse I could easily solo 99% of the bosses way easier if I was solo without dieing so being able to res and jump back in would only be when I die when I group is fighting a boss.

It just wouldn't make sense to keep throwing your meta dexer at a boss to suicide you would still try to stay alive and do more damage by doing so.
 
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TheFallen

Grandmaster
Bromista said:
I think what he means is the brutal efficiency at which a berserker can take down a boss.

It's really fucking insane. Ariakan can outscore me almost 3:1 and I have one of the major relics. He can pump out 20k damage on the arch daemon in NO time.

That double strike, jesus christ. Can't wait til I get one of those. Pretty much guaranteed PS from a boss.
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Here were talking arch demon obviously and it makes sense that a meta dexer out does a regular dexer in the same way a meta Dragon out does a regular Dragon. I don't really see why we need to add more of a draw back. Meta pet losses stats and meta dexer losses gear (the coat of both can be very high (good gear, stat scrolls) or low (gm gear, don't scroll) the delay just seems to be an unnecessary draw back trying to create a balance where no imbalance exists.

If a draw back is needed it really should never be something that encourages people to log out.
 
Bromista

Bromista

Grandmaster
Well I'm comparing different level of meta dexers here, but that's besides the point.

I only use my dexer for bosses, as should you because you have a level 7 meta with relics. However, if I used my dexer to farm regularly I certainly wouldn't log out when I die. I would just tab over.

And if I die to a boss and lose my abilities for 15 minutes? My own damn fault and I suck it up.

I think the cooldown is appropriate.
 
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TheFallen

Grandmaster
Bromista said:
Well I'm comparing different level of meta dexers here, but that's besides the point.

I only use my dexer for bosses, as should you because you have a level 7 meta with relics. However, if I used my dexer to farm regularly I certainly wouldn't log out when I die. I would just tab over.

And if I die to a boss and lose my abilities for 15 minutes? My own damn fault and I suck it up.

I think the cooldown is appropriate.
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I do switch accounts when I must of the time but the point is its a mechanic that stops you from playing and I still don't see an argument why. I could farm with my meta but since I worked a dexer I would like to try the change of pace and can do decently well farming with it which makes farming a little easier to do when I can change my style to something more active but with the delay gold per hour drops fast.

Originally when this cane out I figured it was put in to stop people switching back and forth between relics. Now I highly doubt that is ever going to happen seeing how long it takes to level. If that is the reason we could just have the tali stay equipped through death. Then I thought maybe it was put in to avoid some sort of macro involving Ressing and fighting mobs for gains but now you can gain xp on cool down anyway. Other than that I don't see why the delay is there.
 
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TheFallen

Grandmaster
Ariakan99 said:
I believe it is to simulate the time it takes to res a meta pet and restock before returning etc.
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I would say the time it takes to restock my dexer is already longer half the time (thank you un stacking pots). I remember this being said at one point but I can literally have my tamer and pets up quicker than my dexer.
 
Young Star

Young Star

Grandmaster
15 mins of not being able to use your relic abilities isn't that long. You can just go kill some mid-level mobs for a little bit while you wait for cool down to end before going back to a big bad mob if you can't fight it without your special abilities.
 
Bromista

Bromista

Grandmaster
I suppose that was the original intent, to keep from macroing, but it punished people using their tali the right way. I think the XP change was appropriate.

Dexer restock time is pretty equal to tamers. If you have prepared stock bags with pots/regs/bandies it would be twice as fast.

If you have a butler it's probly three times as fast but that is a large investment so it should be more convenient. And if you PvP on the reg you should have one anyway, not that anyone in $ guild does.
 
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TheFallen

Grandmaster
Young Star said:
15 mins of not being able to use your relic abilities isn't that long. You can just go kill some mid-level mobs for a little bit while you wait for cool down to end before going back to a big bad mob if you can't fight it without your special abilities.
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That didn't work so well when its an boss fight as <15 its over.
If just farming it really doesn't make sense to be on 15 break when pk especially if you just lost 50 - 75 worth of gear.
 
Young Star

Young Star

Grandmaster
If there are a bunch of people fighting a boss to get it killed quick then I don't see the problem jumping back in like a normal dexxer and keep fighting. I am new to this talisman thing so maybe I am still used to fighting mobs without it. I know at champs the meta dexers I know are usually competing for top damage against the tamers and I am usually just behind the tamers on my provo-archer. Having the champ pop when in cooldown you're still going to be one of the top damagers.
 
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TheFallen

Grandmaster
The whole point is why. Why does the char need to lose their talisman for 15. It's easy to say that they can go as a regular dexer. A tamer can go as just a Mage or even grab a brand new full health pet. There is nothing that I can see that this is providing a balance for.
 
dobber

dobber

Grandmaster
TheFallen said:
The whole point is why. Why does the char need to lose their talisman for 15. It's easy to say that they can go as a regular dexer. A tamer can go as just a Mage or even grab a brand new full health pet. There is nothing that I can see that this is providing a balance for.
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Your point is for another thread. Anyway, much easier to keep one person alive than a person including pets.

This relic is way too underpowered. What if the cool down was lowered to ~1 second just as the quicksilver relic cool down was increased bc it was too OP. Otherwise this relic is pretty useless unless you are soloing pretty much everything but ogre lords. That would be an easy improvement for staff.

@eppy
 
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eppy

Grandmaster
I added a buy out for cooldown on the statue. Say "I wish to pay tribute" 10k and no cooldown.
 
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