Rikket_The_Rogue
Grandmaster
That's I argued in a previous thread for a 30~40% stat loss.
Or
The standard 20% but reds get 1997-OSI skill gains.
That would make it as intended.
Incoming Perma Stat Confirmed
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That's I argued in a previous thread for a 30~40% stat loss.
Or
The standard 20% but reds get 1997-OSI skill gains.
That would make it as intended.
Xiulan
Master
I don't think perma stat will turn this server into Trammel, but I do think it's a bad idea.
Shane wants a solution that will help retain new players, specifically PvM players he said. But as a new, PvM player I don't see how this will help me one bit. If I'm out farming and a red attacks, I still won't have the ability to effectively fight back. So I won't be getting their head anyway.
From my perspective, all this will do for new players and PvMers is provide another obstacle to even trying PvP (unless we join a huge red guild for relative protection). It won't really hurt the veterans who have lots of red characters to choose from and lots of resources to re-up their skills if they get perma statted. It's going to hurt newer players with maybe one red character and not much gold yet.
I realize that Shane is feeling frustrated and backed into a corner but I think he's about to shoot himself in the foot here.
A better solution, from my perspective, would be to give newbies and blues a way to protect ourselves/our stuff or try to fight back. Shane says they've already tried everything but it doesn't seem like they've actually tried many of the solutions along those lines that I've seen proposed in these forums.
Trammel shards have stuff like item insurance and blessed gold ledgers. Training rooms to lessen the pain of the grind and get people started playing faster. 50k gold to start out with, and extensive support for newbies. Even adding just ONE of those things would significantly improve the lot of new blues here. If retaining new players is actually the goal, rather than just punishing reds because Shane is pissed at them, he should try stuff like that.
Shane wants a solution that will help retain new players, specifically PvM players he said. But as a new, PvM player I don't see how this will help me one bit. If I'm out farming and a red attacks, I still won't have the ability to effectively fight back. So I won't be getting their head anyway.
From my perspective, all this will do for new players and PvMers is provide another obstacle to even trying PvP (unless we join a huge red guild for relative protection). It won't really hurt the veterans who have lots of red characters to choose from and lots of resources to re-up their skills if they get perma statted. It's going to hurt newer players with maybe one red character and not much gold yet.
I realize that Shane is feeling frustrated and backed into a corner but I think he's about to shoot himself in the foot here.
A better solution, from my perspective, would be to give newbies and blues a way to protect ourselves/our stuff or try to fight back. Shane says they've already tried everything but it doesn't seem like they've actually tried many of the solutions along those lines that I've seen proposed in these forums.
Trammel shards have stuff like item insurance and blessed gold ledgers. Training rooms to lessen the pain of the grind and get people started playing faster. 50k gold to start out with, and extensive support for newbies. Even adding just ONE of those things would significantly improve the lot of new blues here. If retaining new players is actually the goal, rather than just punishing reds because Shane is pissed at them, he should try stuff like that.
Tard the Paladin
Grandmaster
Here's the thing...
In some ways Trammel would be preferable. At least in UOR you could go to Felucca and find PvP. UOF is essentially throwing felucca out the door and just keeping the Trammel aspect.
Super-Trammel prevails! But whatevs. I'm disappointed clearly; however, like I said its better to go ahead and rip the bandaid off and let players know what kind of gameplay system UOF will keep. Clearly its not one where reds are encouraged to play.
In some ways Trammel would be preferable. At least in UOR you could go to Felucca and find PvP. UOF is essentially throwing felucca out the door and just keeping the Trammel aspect.
Super-Trammel prevails! But whatevs. I'm disappointed clearly; however, like I said its better to go ahead and rip the bandaid off and let players know what kind of gameplay system UOF will keep. Clearly its not one where reds are encouraged to play.
Malkraven
Grandmaster
i think we should get some staff input on this before we have a 30 page thread about what a terrible idea it is
tankian
Grandmaster
exactly what i was saying in a previously reply. it wont matter , you can macro the statted char while out on another red char
Rikket_The_Rogue
Grandmaster
NicebabyNiceNcie
Master
Hopefully there is perma stat...I could delete some of my reds and just macro out of it in about 2 hours lol
what they should do is add perma stat as well as keep the 48 hour timer in witch you cant gain skills!
what they should do is add perma stat as well as keep the 48 hour timer in witch you cant gain skills!
Rikket_The_Rogue
Grandmaster
And that's why I argued for 30~40% stat-loss
or
The standard 20% stat-loss but with OSI skill gains for reds.
Salsa
Grandmaster
That's I argued in a previous thread for a 30~40% stat loss.
Or
The standard 20% but reds get 1997-OSI skill gains.
That would make it as intended.
Please don't reply to my comments you fucking moron. You've already proven more times than anybody could count that you don't know anything about this game.
Rikket_The_Rogue
Grandmaster
+1 report for harassment
Violence
Grandmaster
I have little interest in macroing any more than I have already (ie. none)
Tard the Paladin
Grandmaster
Yup, if constant macro'ing is a requirement for a play style then those players simply find another play style or more likely another game. But like I said its better to rip the bandaid off now so that players can find the right solution to meet their needs. This is better than sitting around wondering if/when UOF finally goes Trammy - now we know and can decide accordingly.
Rikket_The_Rogue
Grandmaster
lul-wut?
Perma-stat loss has been in UO since launch.
Perma-stat loss has been in UO since launch.
Salsa, if you take a second to breathe and step back you can see that he was not stating that Trammel was in at UO launch. If one reads through the thread one can see that his statement reads sarcastically.
According to you, a "fucking moron" is one that does not understand the game of Ultima Online. Would it be safe and logical to assume that you are a moron since you did not grasp his sarcastic line? Now, if we can assume that you are a moron for not understanding the difference between sarcasm, or not reading the whole thread and fully understanding, would you agree that you shouldn't have replied to his comments?
I don't think that would be the angle we would need to take. I think you should step back, cool down, and maybe understand the situation before you let your emotions run your actions.
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Derwolf
Grandmaster
this^, all my characters are completed, i'm not going to bother leaving my pc running all night so i can macro my red. i know with the changes incoming i will be playing a lot less and when i do play it will be on a faction blue. What i got from discord chat last night is shane is worried about his player base, not as many people on, he thinks the idoc changes and red changes will bring people back. That is false, people are not playing because its summer and 3 free shards have launched in the pass 2-3 months. The better solution would be to, wait for the 3 free shards that launched to die down(thats already started) and wait for summer to be over.
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Deadpool
Grandmaster
I don't remember saying I was allowing you to relinquish this title away from me...
tankian
Grandmaster
and this is happening now when EQMS is running everyone off the server with their zergs,
Salsa
Grandmaster
If one reads through the thread? He was the first reply and it was not sarcastic. Thanks for all the helpful tips though. Made you look really cool.
tankian
Grandmaster
so basically you are threatening shane or anyone else if you get perma statted, you or eqms will do anything to run more people off this server and ruin the shard even more.
you shouldnt even be allowed to play here after that comment,
others are throwing out ideas and trying to come up with some solution and you just use threats
Garillo
Master
While they hit peak subscriptions after the launch of trammel, the graph on UO population clearly shows that trammel killed the upward trend in players.
Nice ad populum.
People oversimplifying problems, nothing new. As Derwolf stated, games have all historically fallen off during the summer time. Throw in that there are competitive alternatives to this server and magically you've brought up something a lot less convenient than just "pks are ruining the server".
I can seriously farm for weeks on end, even before I was in EQMS, and only see a handful of reds.
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