Flagged reds can not recall/use gates.

[Mango]

PKing PVMers is most definitely pvp. The fact that most pvmers on here suck at it does not remove the fact that it is still pvp. I hear the complaint "but PVM templates are no match for PVP templates" -- this is entirely up to your choice of how you develop your template. If you lets say go the bards route and decide to not have magical resist -- that is still your decision. YOU made the concious decision to take a weaker template PVP-wise to get an advantage PVM-wise. It is risk vs reward as everything in UO is.

In addition, PKing PVMers is a way of forcing ppl to PVP. Without this, UO is shit, plain and simple. Without the fear that you can lose everything, UO is nothing more than carebear land in WoW. Be thankful for the PKs that are willing to risk their ability to play for 48 hours to give you UO as it should be.

You wan't to see what true sucking is at pvp? I encountered a red and in a panic I ended up trying to kill him with a mix of reveal, energy vortex, & mark.... Awards were not given that day -_-

 

[halygon]

You wan't to see what true sucking is at pvp? I encountered a red and in a panic I ended up trying to kill him with a mix of reveal, energy vortex, & mark.... Awards were not given that day -_-

Mark is a dangerous one -- Ill give you that..

 

[lost]

Try real pvp then. PK'ing pvm's is not pvp and is not consented therefore you get punished for your CRIME.. WTF do people not get that ..

My post basically said I avoid pking pvmers n prefer pvp at Idocs n nritain farms but you reply with this... Do u even read bro

Also I avoid factions be it's dead n my friends can't heal me when I ok if I'm in faction. It's better to just be red than faction so I don't need to wait for certain ppl to be on.

Blues are the worst griefes, u have ppl like 247, all skill tamers and Christina luv who strive by abusing tamer pets and blowing crystal ball charges on death to avoid pet skill loss, and quickly recalling in to kamikaze reds without penalty but the worst part is these guys don't want pvp they just want to grief you with kamikaze blue death resulting in instant stat loss. Their joy is in your tears of stat loss. Adam had an idea to offer reds auto to buy heads when turned in which would be better.

 

[amonseti]

PKing PVMers is most definitely pvp. The fact that most pvmers on here suck at it does not remove the fact that it is still pvp. I hear the complaint "but PVM templates are no match for PVP templates" -- this is entirely up to your choice of how you develop your template. If you lets say go the bards route and decide to not have magical resist -- that is still your decision. YOU made the concious decision to take a weaker template PVP-wise to get an advantage PVM-wise. It is risk vs reward as everything in UO is.

In addition, PKing PVMers is a way of forcing ppl to PVP. Without this, UO is shit, plain and simple. Without the fear that you can lose everything, UO is nothing more than carebear land in WoW. Be thankful for the PKs that are willing to risk their ability to play for 48 hours to give you UO as it should be.

PVP = player vs player ..
PK'ing = Player Killing ..
Thay are not the same..

So if you were to rape a woman because she dressed sexy are you saying she was consenting ?? (THIS is PK'ing)
She is only consenting if she asks or participates in it .. (THIS is PVP)
Apoligise for the crude example but people just dont get it

 

[K A Z]

PVP = player vs player ..
PK'ing = Player Killing ..
Thay are not the same..

So if you were to rape a woman because she dressed sexy are you saying she was consenting ?? (THIS is PK'ing)
She is only consenting if she asks or participates in it .. (THIS is PVP)
Apoligise for the crude example but people just dont get it

your 1997 example doesn't change the fact that UO and it's PVP community have changed. Red vs Blue is the only thing that works nowadays, because people are SCARED of consequences (the blues that is). It's sad but it's true. (as can be seen on UOForever where nearly 2 years in we have still failed to build a solid PVP community/scene).

 

[amonseti]

My post basically said I avoid pking pvmers n prefer pvp at Idocs n nritain farms but you reply with this... Do u even read bro

Well try not taking my post out of context .. that might help

 

[lost]

Can't wait to pitchfork your ass in zombies!!

 

[halygon]

PVP = player vs player ..
PK'ing = Player Killing ..
Thay are not the same..

So if you were to rape a woman because she dressed sexy are you saying she was consenting ?? (THIS is PK'ing)
She is only consenting if she asks or participates in it .. (THIS is PVP)
Apoligise for the crude example but people just dont get it

Soo... I think your logic is failing you here. This is how your analogy should go.

So if you were to rape a woman because she dressed sexy are you saying she was consenting ?? (THIS is PK'ing)

It is not consenting, but it is still intercourse regardless. (ie.. still PvP)

She is only consenting if she asks or participates in it .. (THIS is PVP)

This is also intercourse (ie.. still PvP)

 

[Mango]

"PVP = intercourse" - Halygon

 

[Mango]

this thread is like watching The Kardashians. highly educational and wonderful! *grabs popcorn*

 

[thestand]

i think stat loss is punishment enough for being red lol

Yes, punishment was a bad word to use. I'd trade statloss for no recall after flagged.

You guys should just ignore amonseti. Arguing with him isn't going to get anything done.

 

[K A Z]

Yes, punishment was a bad word to use. I'd trade statloss for no recall after flagged.

You guys should just ignore amonseti. Arguing with him isn't going to get anything done.

criminals shouldnt be allowed to use gates
attacking reds should put em into heat of battle
no statloss outside dungeons
reds shouldnt be allowed to enter houses when in heat of battle
non-faction reds can't enter towns nor access banks

let the good times roll

 

[sworn]

non-faction reds can't enter towns nor access banks

that's a bit harsh, bux should always be available for reds. And maybe this way it would get more action.

 

[K A Z]

that's a bit harsh, bux should always be available for reds. And maybe this way it would get more action.

besides buccs den that is obviously

I just wish we had a realistic chance that these changes would be implented.

 

[sworn]

also i'd love to see more O/C action and war us guilds but hey im old.

 

[amonseti]

Soo... I think your logic is failing you here. This is how your analogy should go.

It is not consenting, but it is still intercourse regardless. (ie.. still PvP)


This is also intercourse (ie.. still PvP)

This is where you don't understand .. Your Intercourse analogy is "Game Play" not PVP, PVP is only when all party are participating PLAYER vs PLAYER ..


ohh man I know you understand . I does not matter how many points or facts I make. REDS will always claim to be great PvP'ers because they bag countless PVM'ers,, ohh wait maybe this will help you out ..
Fine lets invent a new term .
Its not PK'ing anymore .... its Pv(Pvm) Thank god for algebra.

 

[Don Key]

PKing PVMers is most definitely pvp. The fact that most pvmers on here suck at it does not remove the fact that it is still pvp. I hear the complaint "but PVM templates are no match for PVP templates" -- this is entirely up to your choice of how you develop your template. If you lets say go the bards route and decide to not have magical resist -- that is still your decision. YOU made the concious decision to take a weaker template PVP-wise to get an advantage PVM-wise. It is risk vs reward as everything in UO is.

In addition, PKing PVMers is a way of forcing ppl to PVP. Without this, UO is shit, plain and simple. Without the fear that you can lose everything, UO is nothing more than carebear land in WoW. Be thankful for the PKs that are willing to risk their ability to play for 48 hours to give you UO as it should be.

If your PVM template doesn't have a way to fight PKs, you're doing it wrong and you DESERVE to be PKd.

 

[Don Key]

This is where you don't understand .. Your Intercourse analogy is "Game Play" not PVP, PVP is only when all party are participating PLAYER vs PLAYER ..


ohh man I know you understand . I does not matter how many points or facts I make. REDS will always claim to be great PvP'ers because they bag countless PVM'ers,, ohh wait maybe this will help you out ..
Fine lets invent a new term .
Its not PK'ing anymore .... its Pv(Pvm) Thank god for algebra.

By logging in and going to a dungeon, you are participating in Player vs Player.

 

[Messremb]

criminals shouldnt be allowed to use gates
attacking reds should put em into heat of battle
no statloss outside dungeons
reds shouldnt be allowed to enter houses when in heat of battle
non-faction reds can't enter towns nor access banks

let the good times roll

This actually is pretty good. I would add a 1 hour stat loss outside dungeons, that way people actually have a chance at IDOCs to hold off the reds.

To everyone arguing that PKing is PVP, you are just being difficult. it all depends on definition of terms, and that can be argued all day. the point is there is a vast difference in reds that run dungeons killing noobs, and reds that look for fights with other PVPers. reds running dungeons deserve negative consequences for their actions, they are exploiting the game to gain every advantage over a weaker character. Reds using their red status to start fights are very different, they are out looking for action and usually end up out numbered in a fight. these types of reds are already dealing with the consequences of being red and don't need any more.

The big issue now that there are 3 accounts is that 2 day statloss is a joke when you have 10-17 reds you can play. I think they should make you leave a character logged in to work off statloss. just my 2 cents.

If your PVM template doesn't have a way to fight PKs, you're doing it wrong and you DESERVE to be PKd.

Don Key, once again you're an idiot! Please let me know where you farm, and I will come give you what you DESERVE!!!

 

[Don Key]

I'm always in Khaldun. Come get my picker