#EndRedTrammel

[Silly Santa]

Im not even asking for perma stat loss here - even that i will admit is for sure harsh.

We could just keep this option and make temp stat-loss account-wide on all red characters. Three strikes you're out.

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Honestly though, I am not sure I follow your logic @Silly Santa. How is 35-100k not a big enough cost for being a PK and dying?

When you have 8-10 (sometimes even more) EQMS members rolling together who are pre-loaded with EB - how often are they really all going to die? If one does- they have to spend 1-2 hours only farming that back..whereas to some people - 35k-100k is peanuts compared to their current wealth. Thus, these PKs are back in the fight in such a short amount of time after dying.

Red dies in a dungeon, they cant play that char for 48 hours.

Red dies outside of a dungeon, they must either pay 35-100k or not play for 48hours.

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Why should the penalties differ from one another with where a PK dies?

 

[clutchxo]

No one should be able to reply to this subject unless they have a PK/Red status themselves.

 

[Kears]

No one should be able to reply to this subject unless they have a PK/Red status themselves.

Sorry can't help myself..

By your logic, no one should be able to judge and sentence a murderer unless they have murdered someone themselves?

 

[Tard the Paladin]

We could just keep this option and make temp stat-loss account-wide on all red characters. Three strikes you're out.

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Honestly though, I am not sure I follow your logic @Silly Santa. How is 35-100k not a big enough cost for being a PK and dying?

I think account wide shaming is a bad approach. I support removing head buyback. Account wide shaming is yet another means to encourage VPN abuse and it also affects players who have dedicate extremely valuable character slots to their play style.

Whatever approach is considered should focus on separating real reds from blues that have just one red on each account. Account wide shaming means a lot of wasted character slots for players that forego character slots for PvP.

Maybe just add an extra day to the stat loss. That would encourage reds to keep their characters alive without making entire characters worthless.

But the real solution to all of this is to incentivize PvP. This would benefit all parties and help people have fun. There are game mechanics that can be utilized in a fashion that makes everyone happy. Seeking a player class to punish is a brain dead and needless strategy.

 

[Deadpool]

I think account wide shaming is a bad approach. I support removing head buyback. Account wide shaming is yet another means to encourage VPN abuse and it also affects players who have dedicate extremely valuable character slots to their play style.

Whatever approach is considered should focus on separating real reds from blues that have just one red on each account. Account wide shaming means a lot of wasted character slots for players that forego character slots for PvP.

Maybe just add an extra day to the stat loss. That would encourage reds to keep their characters alive without making entire characters worthless.

But the real solution to all of this is to incentivize PvP. This would benefit all parties and help people have fun. There are game mechanics that can be utilized in a fashion that makes everyone happy. Seeking a player class to punish is a brain dead and needless strategy.

I like this whole thing. I think this is the real route to take.

 

[halygon]

I think account wide shaming is a bad approach. I support removing head buyback. Account wide shaming is yet another means to encourage VPN abuse and it also affects players who have dedicate extremely valuable character slots to their play style.

Whatever approach is considered should focus on separating real reds from blues that have just one red on each account. Account wide shaming means a lot of wasted character slots for players that forego character slots for PvP.

Maybe just add an extra day to the stat loss. That would encourage reds to keep their characters alive without making entire characters worthless.

But the real solution to all of this is to incentivize PvP. This would benefit all parties and help people have fun. There are game mechanics that can be utilized in a fashion that makes everyone happy. Seeking a player class to punish is a brain dead and needless strategy.

I think Adam has some good plans toward this that fixes the issues you have detailed, primarily incentivising pvp while removing/reducing VPN abusers.

While I joked about it earlier, I don't think a account wide stat loss really would be a solution, neither would increasing the head buy back limit or fee. These would probably just piss off people more than anything.

 

[Tard the Paladin]

I think Adam has some good plans toward this that fixes the issues you have detailed, primarily incentivising pvp while removing/reducing VPN abusers.

While I joked about it earlier, I don't think a account wide stat loss really would be a solution, neither would increasing the head buy back limit or fee. These would probably just piss off people more than anything.

It is a real concern. Such a method was briefly implemented in the past and many players vocalize the need for it. Its easy to succumb to a knee jerk reaction and start implementing nerfs. Sometimes its called for if mechanics are out of whack but when it comes to actual play styles then game play should be considered. Incentivized PvP is an instance where blues, reds, pvp'ers, non-pvpers could all benefit. No nerfs needed. Everyone wins.

Head buyback is a mechanic that perhaps should be considered changing. Why not give an advantage to players that dedicate character slots to PvP toons? If the number of reds must be balanced then this is a quick and easy way to achieve it. With head buyback there is no need to have more than one red character which essentially allows anyone willing to pay 35k to play a red for an unlimited amount of time. I'd rather tilt the scales in favor of dedicated PKs who use their slots for their play style.

 

[halygon]

It is a real concern. Such a method was briefly implemented in the past and many players vocalize the need for it. Its easy to succumb to a knee jerk reaction and start implementing nerfs. Sometimes its called for if mechanics are out of whack but when it comes to actual play styles then game play should be considered. Incentivized PvP is an instance where blues, reds, pvp'ers, non-pvpers could all benefit. No nerfs needed. Everyone wins.

Head buyback is a mechanic that perhaps should be considered changing. Why not give an advantage to players that dedicate character slots to PvP toons? If the number of reds must be balanced then this is a quick and easy way to achieve it. With head buyback there is no need to have more than one red character which essentially allows anyone willing to pay 35k to play a red for an unlimited amount of time. I'd rather tilt the scales in favor of dedicated PKs who use their slots for their play style.

You may not realize it, but the previous implementation that you are referring to was a partial implementation of a full system. It was planned out in advance, but the plug was pulled by Shane prior to fully enabling it. Only a piece was enabled for a short time. Shane decided that we use a much less extreme change first, so we did.

It may have seemed like a reaction to the cries of some players, but it really wasn't.

Had the full system (which we do not plan on implementing anymore as we have better solutions) been implemented, I think it would have been better received and liked by pvper and pvmer alike.

 

[Longbeard]

yeah the account wide stat is pretty dumb @ halygon
the mudersystem pretty much hasnt changed since the 3 or so years ive been on this shard.
I would have to re roll skills on quite a few of my chars if this was to be the change.
I think the issue is more or less with zerging.

 

[GoD PaRtiCal]

yeah the account wide stat is pretty dumb @ halygon
the mudersystem pretty much hasnt changed since the 3 or so years ive been on this shard.
I would have to re roll skills on quite a few of my chars if this was to be the change.
I think the issue is more or less with zerging.

Zerging or lack of people willing to PvP? From what I see, its the latter. Zerging has always been a part of UO, its not going to break a shard.

 

[Deadpool]

I think the issue is more or less with that I am a frightening clown figure.

Yes, that is what's going on. I peed my red spandex.

 

[Longbeard]

Zerging or lack of people willing to PvP?=.

Well op would rather complain and make a forum post about it rather than doing something about it.
lul
@ deadpool thanks that's my artwork

 

[Rikket_The_Rogue]

PvP is not exclusive to PK'ing; stop acting like it is.

 

[Silly Santa]

Well op would rather complain and make a forum post about it rather than doing something about it.
lul
@ deadpool thanks that's my artwork

Stop acting like you think you know me. For your information, i took a murder count on someone just last night that was a meta tamer. Yes i PK.. Yes i PVP... kthxxx

Thx for your senseless feedback btw on my thread.

 

[lollo]

Yes i PK.. Yes i PVP... kthxxx

hahahahahahaahahahahhaahahhaahah

 

[Silly Santa]

hahahahahahaahahahahhaahahhaahah

What i dont do though is fight 3-5 vs your 10+ zerg. kthxxx

 

[lollo]

What i dont do though is fight 3-5 vs your 10+ zerg. kthxxx

We can do a 1v1 2v2 3v3 4v4 with your guildmates anytime for any amount of money. Pits or field, whatever

 

[drasked]

We can do a 1v1 2v2 3v3 4v4 with your guildmates anytime for any amount of money. Pits or field, whatever

Will there be an attendance fee?

 

[lollo]

Will there be an attendance fee?

We all know this is not gonna happen anyways and that the low life, lethal poisoned, lagged out bard that @Silly Santa noto pked on his tamer was the closest he ever got to pvp.

 

[drasked]

We all know this is not gonna happen.

@Silly Santa What would bobby do?