Eliminate PKs

[Wyntr]

I do not pk unless I am defending. With that said, maybe I am biased but here is my opinion.

Trammel is a bad idea, trammel dungeons are a bad idea, basically removing risk from the game is a bad idea.
At this point in a server's life, I think increasing risk is a safer option.

Currently the problem at hand is pks running the lands with impunity.
New players are finding it hard to start and old players are getting bored.

Bottom line is that unless something changes, the shard will run its self into a defacto dead shard.

So what is the solution?
Well, what happens anytime you exhibit a negative action upon someone without the authority to do such a thing?

Consequences....
What can one experience when these consequences are dolled out?

Shame?
Atrophy?
Imprisonment?
All of the above?

To prevent or curb an action among individuals in a group, the offending individual and group must be punished for either a moment or a lifetime.

TLDR:
Things that are necessary for the server to evolve:
Pk risks increased.
Possibly new harder content for the l33t.

 

[azol]

Well I heard they are adding perma stat loss which will cut pking down a lot.. which I dont mind... should slow down all the red eqms lol

 

[Josh D]

That depends a lot on "how" the perma stat works.

If they just take 10% off my stats, or hell, even 20-30%...no big deal. I can macro that back in a few hours at most. If they make it so you cant gain skills for a week or so...that's a different story. Now I have to delete my character and make a new one, or sit it out. But they might as well just make the current system go from 48 hours to a week if that's what they are going to do.

Let's be honest here, I can macro a character up (any PvP character not involving taming) in 6-7 hours or less. So just taking the skills away isn't a solution, we'll just be back out in the field faster.

The "real" solution is what @Tard the Paladin has been mentioning for a while now. PvP needs similar "big win" incentives like power scrolls, relics, or something of value to actually make the PvMers interested in doing it. Frankly, that's all they are going for anyway (I know, I'm one of them 90% of the time). If you have a chance at getting a power scroll for capturing a sigil, or some other monetary reward....yeah, Werkt, Trin, and the other PvM guilds will take their chances in securing one of them.

Killing reds should have a similar reward system to what Tard proposed. Then people will actually organize to combat them.

 

[Psyc420]

should slow down all the red eqms lol

No it won't sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[azol]

No it won't sorry to burst your bubble.

If it is a larger stat loss and you cant gain for 48 hours also.. it will slow them down.. They do get picked off..... May take awhile but slowly their reds will stop wanting to be red...

and yes since you can have 3 account u can basically make a x7 in 1 day.. I know ive done it... But on my old osi shard I know skill gain is was much harder on them.. no one wanted to get into the stat loss counts.. Lets just say they take 20 points off each skill.. Yes it isnt that hard to macro back up... But it still will take time and gold.. and if you have to wait 48 hours before u can gain again... which in all in all will slow pking down..

if eqms didnt recruit the whole server... Faction would be alot more fun.. which would = less pking.. cause most ppl really wanna duel.. Now yes you have your hordes of 6v1.. which to me isnt even fun.. I pk solo... which makes it much more of a challenge..

There is a reward system in place also for killing pks.. make them pay for their head.. But yes they could add more incentive to form pk hunting groups..

I guess we will see how this all goes down in Kingdoms..

Hoping it makes for a better faction or whatever they are going to call them.. and make them distributed more evenly instead of 100 minax and like 30 shadow lords and 30 com.. and helll it is like a lucky charm if you see a brit faction char...

 

[Volco]

This was mentioned earlier, but i feel the biggest problem isn't that reds are running rampant, its that blues rarely fight back.
on my PvM chars, I always fight back if it's 1v1. if you're winning the fight, good on you, if you're losing the fight, then run and be happy you got some practice.

on that note, after about 12 years, i finally started getting into PKing about 2 weeks ago. I run past afkers / people training taming, since there's just no challenge.

I also try to res everyone I kill (except eqms). There's plenty of blues that are happy enough accepting the res and responding with a 'TY'.. then there's also a good bit of blues who take the res and respond with 'F*ck you, you piece of sh*t/omg you ruined my life,etc..'

Red's do have it pretty easy here imo, but red's aren't the only assholes in this game, and are not all out to ruin your UO experience.

Personally what I'd like to see is:
if a red flags and dies, he gets a 10% perma loss
if someone flags a red and kills him, then there's no loss (maybe the attacker could get a bonus like 15 silver, or like 500 gold bonus depending on the reds K|D ratio)

getting statted doesn't really bother me atm, because 'big woop, ill log on later'

 

[azol]

This was mentioned earlier, but i feel the biggest problem isn't that reds are running rampant, its that blues rarely fight back.

on my PvM chars, I always fight back if it's 1v1. if you're winning the fight, good on you, if you're losing the fight, then run and be happy you got some practice.

I run past afkers / people training taming, since there's just no challenge.

I also try to res everyone I kill (except eqms). There's plenty of blues that are happy enough accepting the res and responding with a 'TY'.. then there's also a good bit of blues who take the res and respond with 'F*ck you, you piece of sh*t/omg you ruined my life,etc..'



Personally what I'd like to see is:
if a red flags and dies, he gets a 10% perma loss
if someone flags a red and kills him, then there's no loss (maybe the attacker could get a bonus like 15 silver, or like 500 gold bonus depending on the reds K|D ratio)

getting statted doesn't really bother me atm, because 'big woop, ill log on later'

this is all good.. I do the same I res most ppl I pk and allow them to have their corspe with loot.. I might take a 50% fee on gold or something.. unless its eqms Also lol..

and about the stated for 48 hours ya its no big deal.. but if u lose 10% of skills.. that 48 hours becomes maybe 55 depending on how many alts you have mana vampin you lol.. which also cost gold.. I am all for being harder on pks.. Truthfully I enjoy the fact of the risk if I die im gonna suffer hard for it.. makes it for more exciting for me imo..

 

[Volco]

this is all good.. I do the same I res most ppl I pk and allow them to have their corspe with loot.. I might take a 50% fee on gold or something.. unless its eqms Also lol..

and about the stated for 48 hours ya its no big deal.. but if u lose 10% of skills.. that 48 hours becomes maybe 55 depending on how many alts you have mana vampin you lol.. which also cost gold.. I am all for being harder on pks.. Truthfully I enjoy the fact of the risk if I die im gonna suffer hard for it.. makes it for more exciting for me imo..

yeah, it would definitely spice things up more. also, could bump up demand on some of the more basic skillscrolls

 

[K A Z]

perma statloss might have been a cool idea back when this server wasn't filled with custom shit like defensive talismans, super strong metas, etc. etc.

unfortunately, I don't think that "better pvp incentives" would bring a stop to PKing, either. People PK because you only need one guy who's willing to fight for it, while PVPing always requires 2-3 guys who are willing to do so. I guess that the best way to counter PKing is to grow some balls and to not take this game so fucking seriously. Dying in UO in 2016 is such a non-factor.

 

[drasked]

I might take a 50% fee on gold or something..

Reptile harassment tax.

 

[K A Z]

also, please take a look at my thread right here:

http://www.uoforum.com/threads/general-bugfixxing-harder-ruleset.85013/

with the proposed harder ruleset for reds people would think twice before going red on every single char they have. One of the reasons for why reds are so common on UOF is that there are basically no disadvantages from being red other than statloss.

 

[azol]

Reptile harassment tax.

Lol good one.. Still would you prefer me not to res them and take everything.. I think most would prefer losing 5k.. I mean if I die.. most ppl want 50k for my head and take all loot and they sure are not gonna res me.. so Imo fair trade.. and Also its not like pks do not get killed by pks on their blues..

I also like the idea that it will increase the use of all the crap skill scrolls..

 

[drasked]

Lol good one.. Still would you prefer me not to res them and take everything.. I think most would prefer losing 5k.. I mean if I die.. most ppl want 50k for my head.. so Imo fair trade.. and Also its not like pks do not get killed by pks on their blues..

I also like the idea that it will increase the use of all the crap skill scrolls..

I always try to res and only take gold and say something along the lines of "arrow littering fine" or "motm harassment tax" its a lot more funny.

 

[azol]

I always try to res and only take gold and say something along the lines of "arrow littering fine" or "motm harassment tax" its a lot more funny.

Lol I gonna have to be more creative now with my sayings

 

[Psyc420]

yes you have your hordes of 6v1.. which to me isnt even fun.

Maybe to you but what about to the people that find it fun zerging? Is it fair to them just because people cry about being killed while solo pking?

I understand both sides but really to try and get others to play the way you do welll everyone is different and everyone find's their own fun on UO. Some like to PvP, some like to Pk, some like to PvM, some people like to fight in huge fights or Zerg and some Don't.

I guess that the best way to counter PKing is to grow some balls and to not take this game so fucking seriously. Dying in UO in 2016 is such a non-factor.

 

[Psyc420]

erectile harassment tax

 

[drasked]

That's less of a tax and more of a gratuity.

 

[Psyc420]

gratuity.

You are not allowed to use that word on here sir!

 

[azol]

Maybe to you but what about to the people that find it fun zerging? Is it fair to them just because people cry about being killed while solo pking?

I understand both sides but really to try and get others to play the way you do welll everyone is different and everyone find's their own fun on UO. Some like to PvP, some like to Pk, some like to PvM, some people like to fight in huge fights or Zerg and some Don't.

if they find it fun to zerg.. Let them Zerg.. I just said I prefer solo pking.. i get into many 2v1s and have to run or die or sometimes win.. all part of the beauty of the game..

 

[Psyc420]

if they find it fun to zerg.. Let them Zerg.. I just said I prefer solo pking.. i get into many 2v1s and have to run or die or sometimes win.. all part of the beauty of the game..

Then why are you crying about EQMS and the zerg? Oh that's right whats fun for some isn't fun for others so they come on here and demand it be fixed so they can have fun?