Rikket_The_Rogue
Grandmaster
Add them; make it so. <3
120 peace
120 provo
100 Discord-wut?
Battle-bards demand Discordance!
Blood for, Odin!
120 peace
120 provo
100 Discord-wut?
Battle-bards demand Discordance!
Blood for, Odin!
Discordance PS
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Elizabeth Gold
Grandmaster
+1 for me.
Finally GMed discord yesterday, need a new goal in my UO life
But on a more serious note, it's a pure PVM skill so it won't affect PVP at all. Gets perfect in line with the already existing provo/peace skills. The only possible reason I can think of it's not so desirable as other scrolls, which is fine: we have spidermetapowerscroll-sink anyway. Not sure if we need 120 music as well, maybe I'm pushing it for now
Finally GMed discord yesterday, need a new goal in my UO life
But on a more serious note, it's a pure PVM skill so it won't affect PVP at all. Gets perfect in line with the already existing provo/peace skills. The only possible reason I can think of it's not so desirable as other scrolls, which is fine: we have spidermetapowerscroll-sink anyway. Not sure if we need 120 music as well, maybe I'm pushing it for now
IndecentXp0sur3
Master
+1 for me.
Finally GMed discord yesterday, need a new goal in my UO life
But on a more serious note, it's a pure PVM skill
How good is it PVM? Does GM discord work on champs and balron paragons etc?
Elizabeth Gold
Grandmaster
I think that both champs and balron para's have too much health that will increases their barding difficulty beyond any chance of success of using those skills on them. Even if 120 music was added to the game and using a slayer instrument, I don't think you can do it to them.
Also discordance is only half as effective on high end creatures (160 barding difficulty and above).
How good is it?
- Target has 10-20% less hitpoints
- Target has 10-20% less defence skill (so they hit less and get hit more by melee)
- Target has 10-20% less magery/eval/intelligence (so they deal less magic damage)
- Target has 10-20% less magic resist / armor (so they get more damage)
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IndecentXp0sur3
Master
Roger, thanks for that. I will take Disco off my treasure hunter then haha, never had a character with it so I wanted to try it out.
Useful skill for a pure farming tamer or provo dexxer then?
Elizabeth Gold
Grandmaster
I updated my previous post, see there.
Elizabeth Gold
Grandmaster
Actually, this might work on a tamer template, but you will be rather vunrable yourself:
120 taming
120 animal lore
100 vet
100 music
100 discordance
80-100 magery
80-100 meditation
IndecentXp0sur3
Master
Thank you, I will try this out. Take it off my treasure hunter and try it with a tamer. Yea I can definately see your point on the later champion waves.
Rikket_The_Rogue
Grandmaster
If you want to squeeze a few more points from your builds, I'd like to point out that Music is the general % of how likely you are to play right.
If you have 120 provo and 100 music you have 100% chance to provo a dragon.
If you have 120 provo and 50 music you have 50% chance to provo; you always have 100% chance to provo, but only 50% chance to 'play good enough'.
If you have 120 provo and 75 music you have 75% chance to provo.
Just think of music as your flat % to have it work right. May not matter to you, but I found a lot I could do with an extra 20~50 points.
If you have 120 provo and 100 music you have 100% chance to provo a dragon.
If you have 120 provo and 50 music you have 50% chance to provo; you always have 100% chance to provo, but only 50% chance to 'play good enough'.
If you have 120 provo and 75 music you have 75% chance to provo.
Just think of music as your flat % to have it work right. May not matter to you, but I found a lot I could do with an extra 20~50 points.
Shortbus
Grandmaster
Ummm...no. I know people with 120 Provo and GM music and they can still fail on paragons. At GM/GM you dont have 100% chance to provo everything...case in point Ive failed many a deep water elemental, balron, shadow wyrm, ancient wyrm, hell even some dragons.If you want to squeeze a few more points from your builds, I'd like to point out that Music is the general % of how likely you are to play right.
If you have 120 provo and 100 music you have 100% chance to provo a dragon.
If you have 120 provo and 50 music you have 50% chance to provo; you always have 100% chance to provo, but only 50% chance to 'play good enough'.
If you have 120 provo and 75 music you have 75% chance to provo.
Just think of music as your flat % to have it work right. May not matter to you, but I found a lot I could do with an extra 20~50 points.
Music is % chance to play the instrument itself. Its a double check for provo/peace/discord. If your bardic skill passes but the music fails, you fail.
Please for the love of everything holy know wtf you are talking about before you post on the forums.
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Rikket_The_Rogue
Grandmaster
You are lying, or at least misdirecting.
You didn't even say what kind of paragon, how.... scientific of you; to say nothing of how you switch from 120 provo to 'GM/GM' in a heart beat to make your point about 100% provo chance; I never said GM provo would 100% anything, why you said it I'll have no idea.
You are correct in saying Music is the chance to play the instrument, which was what I said previous.
Shortbus
Grandmaster
You are seriously not too bright, but that's ok, I work with people like you on a daily basis, so let me break it down...
High end paragons worth farming (balrons, dragons, shadow wyrms, ancient worms, Collector of Souls, etc) you never have 100% chance to provo.
If you want to squeeze a few more points from your builds, I'd like to point out that Music is the general % of how likely you are to play right.
If you have 120 provo and 100 music you have 100% chance to provo a dragon.
If you have 120 provo and 50 music you have 50% chance to provo; you always have 100% chance to provo, but only 50% chance to 'play good enough'.
If you have 120 provo and 75 music you have 75% chance to provo.
Just think of music as your flat % to have it work right. May not matter to you, but I found a lot I could do with an extra 20~50 points.
As you state above, at 120 Provo and 100 music you have 100% chance to provo...120/50 you have a 50% chance to provo..."you always have 100% chance to provo" is incorrect...there is no such thing as 100% chance...there is ALWAYS a chance to fail. 100/75 having a 75% chance to provo...no...you have a 75% chance to play your instrument successfully...the provo is still a chance to fail. There are also sometimes spawns that no matter your skill, the mob is not able to be provoked at all (kill it and the respawn can be, however).
Leading people on with misleading information is incorrect...you must maintain 100 music to have a better chance to succeed, plain and simple. Common sense tells anyone that.
Once again, without knowing any of the inside play of it, your trying to "teach" people and "assist" on topics you know nothing about only hurts people on the server.
TLDR
Music is need at GM to have a chance NOT to fail playing your instrument, which is the key to Peacemaking, Provocation and Discordance. Anything less is just asking for failure.
Rikket_The_Rogue
Grandmaster
I never said you have a 100% chance to provo the ultra-high end things; since it's common knowledge that high-end beings aren't 100%-able I didn't bother to include them. But I guess you didn't know that so here we are.
Music reflects your chance: if you have 80% chance to provo something then you lower music to 50; now you have 40% chance to provo.
In that same scenario if you have 75 music you have 60% chance to provo. Risk verse reward, you can bardic and have a tali, for instance, with 50 music, or you can build an off-skill by shaving a few points here and there.
As for what's bad for the server; that would be EQMS, especially it's forum members.
See my signature for more EQMS follies.
Music reflects your chance: if you have 80% chance to provo something then you lower music to 50; now you have 40% chance to provo.
In that same scenario if you have 75 music you have 60% chance to provo. Risk verse reward, you can bardic and have a tali, for instance, with 50 music, or you can build an off-skill by shaving a few points here and there.
As for what's bad for the server; that would be EQMS, especially it's forum members.
See my signature for more EQMS follies.