Bonuses on Talismans?

Modus

Modus

Master
Hi there, i would like to know if it would be possible to release some information about the damage increse and other stuff that is involved in the basic leveling of the totem. Spent a buttload of hours to get my berserker Totem to lvl 4, but i dont see the huge difference. Where is the *BAM*?
 
parsnip

parsnip

Grandmaster
Try taking the talisman off and seeing how much less damage you do.

I just took off my meta mage talisman and my flamestrikes were doing around 120-130 damage on ettins with a repond slayer spell book. Talisman back on, I do 160-200 damage. When my focus relic triggers, there's another 20-30 damage thrown in. That's quite a lot of *BAM*!

With a double-strike trigger, I've heard of berserkers doing 350+ damage in one go with a slayer weapon.
 
crazy-horse

crazy-horse

Master
Pre-talisman, I would arm up in invulnerable chain with a slayer to kill a paragon demon. Level 4 completed and I go at him naked... preferably with a slayer, but when I'm i'n the mood for a rush I do it with a GM weapon.
Now maybe its just confidence in myself with the tali on, but I think not.
 
Bahramyou

Bahramyou

Adept
Modus said:
Hi there, i would like to know if it would be possible to release some information about the damage increse and other stuff that is involved in the basic leveling of the totem. Spent a buttload of hours to get my berserker Totem to lvl 4, but i dont see the huge difference. Where is the *BAM*?
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Yeah, it'd be nice if they could clarify a bunch of stuff. A lot of people are still confused over the wording on the main post "meta relic definitions" As well as the interaction of the talisman and relics and how they're two separate things. A official number crunch would be amazing if a moderator could release that ;). I'll run the numbers when i hit level 4 since that seems to be the first clear upgrade on the talisman. 1/2 way there.
 
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crazy-horse

crazy-horse

Master
For what its worth, using the beserler...
I dont see that much of a difference in damage per hit, but I do think (cant verify, just seems) I'm swinging faster *as long as I keep my stamina up*. Theres a point when stamina is down where I get the sense I suck... ok ok.. I do suck anyway, but thats another story.
As long as your stamina is high, you are going to be impressed with yourself. Keep drinking big red.
 
Bahramyou

Bahramyou

Adept
crazy-horse said:
For what its worth, using the beserler...
I dont see that much of a difference in damage per hit, but I do think (cant verify, just seems) I'm swinging faster *as long as I keep my stamina up*. Theres a point when stamina is down where I get the sense I suck... ok ok.. I do suck anyway, but thats another story.
As long as your stamina is high, you are going to be impressed with yourself. Keep drinking big red.
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That's a normal mechanic though. swing speed increases weapon seed .25 seconds with every 30 dex you have. so chugging a blue pot with 100 dex and full stam maxes out ur swing speed. I have no complaints with dexxor farming. I just want to be able to track the damage progression of the vanilla talisman to know if its worth leveling with out an equipped relic.
 
halygon

halygon

Grandmaster
Bahramyou said:
That's a normal mechanic though. swing speed increases weapon seed .25 seconds with every 30 dex you have. so chugging a blue pot with 100 dex and full stam maxes out ur swing speed. I have no complaints with dexxor farming. I just want to be able to track the damage progression of the vanilla talisman to know if its worth leveling with out an equipped relic.
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Actually this era's mechanics there are no tiers of 30 as was later brought in by OSI. It is a direct 1:1 relationship of dexterity to increased swing speed.
 
halygon

halygon

Grandmaster
TheFallen said:
Is it not direct stamina to increase swing. Small difference big impact.
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It is also this by default. So it is technically completely off stamina. This means that when you are low on stamina you swing slower. If you raise your max stamina from lets say 90 to 91 by gaining more dexerity, that will increase your swing speed (albeit by a small amount).
 
crazy-horse

crazy-horse

Master
TheFallen said:
Yes just didn't want people thinking they didn't need to use refresh pots for efficient pvm.
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No, but as you take damage, especially certain hit, you lose stamina, sometimes ALOT, so.. chug the reds when you lose it, keep the stamina up.
Blue pots and +accuracy weapons are always good, but if that stamina starts dropping too much, better pack a lunch.
 
Bahramyou

Bahramyou

Adept
Hmmm so how would you calculate your swing speed by stamina alone then? The increments of 30 dex made sense to me since it increased your stamina by a set amount, increasing swing speed concurrently. How do you calculate an increment of 1 stam? Would be nice to know for uoforever dexxors and wacky templates if that's the case.
.0083 swing speed per 1 stam? havent tested it, but does that mean 89 stam would seem almost equivalent to 90 stam? thanks for the reply
 
crazy-horse

crazy-horse

Master
Bahramyou said:
Hmmm so how would you calculate your swing speed by stamina alone then? The increments of 30 dex made sense to me since it increased your stamina by a set amount, increasing swing speed concurrently. How do you calculate an increment of 1 stam? Would be nice to know for uoforever dexxors and wacky templates if that's the case.
.0083 swing speed per 1 stam? havent tested it, but does that mean 89 stam would seem almost equivalent to 90 stam? thanks for the reply
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No idea. All my comments on this are my experiences and all "feeling". Havent pulled out a stopwatch, I just think I am swinging faster when fully refreshed. But then again, I think around halfway down on stamina I hit a point where I'm slower than pre-tali.. so who really knows?
At this point its a matter of everybody giving ideas and sorting it out.
Of course, Shane KNOWS.. but he ain't telling.
 
Bahramyou

Bahramyou

Adept
crazy-horse said:
No idea. All my comments on this are my experiences and all "feeling". Havent pulled out a stopwatch, I just think I am swinging faster when fully refreshed. But then again, I think around halfway down on stamina I hit a point where I'm slower than pre-tali.. so who really knows?
At this point its a matter of everybody giving ideas and sorting it out.
Of course, Shane KNOWS.. but he ain't telling.
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yup, fully understand. ill run the numbers day after 2mar when i hit 4 hopefully, then we'll know for sure. should only take an hour with excel. Fairly annoying, but thankfully not as brain numbing as most games.
 
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parsnip

parsnip

Grandmaster
Bahramyou said:
yup, fully understand. ill run the numbers day after 2mar when i hit 4 hopefully, then we'll know for sure. should only take an hour with excel. Fairly annoying, but thankfully not as brain numbing as most games.
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Look out that for that 15minute cooldown on re-equipping the talisman!

I doubt you get numbers from devs any time soon but the best chance to get clarifications on all things meta dexx/mage related is to jump on IRC. From what I've seen on IRC the devs are tweaking elements of the talisman / relics and have welcomed feedback on the levelling process and relic mechanics. Come join the fun! :)
 
Bahramyou

Bahramyou

Adept
Modus said:
oh this time i really got a difference, got it from lvl 3 to 4 now.
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50 hits with the talisman on, with a brand new gm warhammer against a 4x drake that I released. average damage = 78.875
50 hits with talisman off, with another brand new gm warhammer against same 4x drake. Average damage = 59.25714
Done with a level 4 berserk talisman naked at full hp and stam with 100 str and 100 dex. I'll do another test later to see if its flat damage increase or a %increase by using a different weapon. I'm leaning toward %increase but not sure yet.
 
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