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btw bring back battle-bard. apparently it was nerfed to non-workable essentially? i dont necessarily understand why thing have to swing so wildly. im much more in favor of 100s of little adjustments rather than BIG adjustments that are seemingly random and then end up needing to be re-addressed...

Any UOF veterans have any input on next steps? I'm newish so not sure who's really in charge of PvP, how often sweeping changes are made and if the person or people in charge are even likely to take player input. I definitely understand that just because a screaming mob wants something doesn't...

Wands take a long time to master. Definitely true. It's like cross heals but slightly different. Requires new hotkeys/macros on top of your other 50hotkeys etc etc. Still to me that isn't the issue. I LIKE WANDS. Would love to use them on any character. To me the problem with wands is they are...

Btw the "Modest Proposal" was going to be an OP of satire in homage. Then I decided I didnt want to put effort into that. So after typing up OP i just kept the name because divorced of its original allusion to the famous satire i knew that any thread discussing pvp would surely not be modest and...

Kinda straying away from what I wanted to discuss (which is fine) but I wanted to point out that I thought this was interesting idea. Would the +10 dmg from alchemy be removed entirely? Or would it get changed to +5 damage (from base) regardless of skill. This would still give decent additional...

That's why the other option is to have all participants lose access no matter who flags first. Or perhaps there is another 3rd option not dreamed up yet. Like I said I believe a majority of players recognize talismans should not be having these side-effects but still in brain-storming stage...

I do get your counterargument. But I believe your scenario with a stealth griefer is even more niche and less likely to happen then "a few uber PKs mostly in Destard". I'm pretty sure murder counts are tied into damage, so that might not be countable (although probably should be) but either way...

I get your point but "just do PvP in a limited area where you're limited to the people who happen to already be in that area" doesn't seem like much of a compromise.

Disagree. Talisman/Relic were never intended to give PvP bonus. That's what the crux of this thread is about. Removing PvP bonus gained thru talisman/relic. Anyone with a previously levelled talisman would still be able to use it for its intended purpose after these changes. About the only...

It would be great if you actually addressed points made in the thread instead of inventing a strawman in your head to teardown. Who are you even speaking about? I see everyone in here from established named PvPers to no-name PvMers. So WHO is your comment addressed to? Because this type of...

Put boots on first

Im not against other ideas, but preferably would have preferred the topic stay limited to the original few ideas. But cant really control that. I like your ideas though

Damn. Great. Agree with most. Especially stun tamers. Make stun tamers take 120Tame 120Lore plus 80+ Anat +100 Wrestle or whatever and then a stun tamer is giving up lots of defense or med or w.e to get stuns off. Maybe im a bit more extreme with the 120s but i actually just wanted to highlight...

the custom stuff is great too, but it just needs tweaks. would never want it tossed. brings great flair to server. i just think there needs to be distinction between that type of content and PvP. i know my first question here when i heard of talisman/relic was "i hope that doesnt effect pvp". I...

Id like to hear his answer, but id offer that at least there is some counter play in that. In a protracted fight (especially macer) that means that the Swampies AR could be damaged making it less useful at MOB reduction. Someone in discord I thinkk mentioned that Swamps have bad mount-stamina...

Good point. There is an underlying question to all this. I think most can agree that Talisman/Relic push the limit for reasons pretty self evident. But as you step away from Talisman/Relic and start looking at other things you bring in more aspects to consider. It's easy to spot the extremes...

Oh also the point of the thread was I was told that was the proper place and Discord wasn't. Whether the griping is true or not I heard lots of "this is the same suggestions from 2 years on now" and about how the forums is the place but no one uses the forums. Whatever the truth is thats why i...

Yes. Probably less extreme than a swampy but still in that same area. So maybe we have 3 step example now. AR patch clothes. Then swampies. Then talismans.

Thats a fairly accurate summation, but your tone suggests aggression like you disagree with me but go on to list points that I agree with. That was pretty much the agreement across the board in Discord. Talisman's should be de-equipped on aggressive flag. Someone else mentioned Swamps. I have...

I tried to give room for your gear ideas. Maybe I wasn't as clear as I could be. Certainly if a player happens to spend all day killing monsters and gets a nice Invuln plate set they should be allowed to wear it in PvP vs someone who didnt bother to wear anything. But I think there are certain...