Flagging for PvP & PvP Balancing

[Spinnacus]

I think it's ridiculous that a player that is just trying to craft, has no weapons or reagents on them, has to deal with so many PKers. So many times my characters that are unarmed and unarmored get senselessly mowed down, not only by reds, but by blues that don't have 5 counts yet. Even worse, if I'm mining, blues will come and kill my pack horses because they know they cannot get murder counts from it. I suggest that we do the following changes.

1. Only make players eligible for PvP if they flag their self to be ready for PvP

2. Make safe no-harm, no stealing zones for mining, logging, and other crafting.

3. Make it so that PKers cannot hide immediately after killing another player.

4. Add murder counts to players that kill pets of other players

5. Make it so PKers cannot bank, sell, trade items that have been recently looted

6. Flag Blues that assist/heal/rez reds with assisted murder counts, maybe half the time as a standard count

By this point you have probably decided that my requests are bat-shit crazy. Most players will say, if you don't want to be PK'ed, stay in town. If you don't want your stuff looted, put it in the bank or your house. I'd absolutely agree with you. These requests are more valid than, but just as stupid as the ones being made against the thieving skill. Stop tramming the server up and catering to lazy, careless, idiots who just want to ruin this server the way OSI was.

 

[1337_chicken]

Too easy, incoming flame and wow comments.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Yubay]

I think it's ridiculous that a player that is just trying to craft, has no weapons or reagents on them, has to deal with so many PKers. So many times my characters that are unarmed and unarmored get senselessly mowed down, not only by reds, but by blues that don't have 5 counts yet. Even worse, if I'm mining, blues will come and kill my pack horses because they know they cannot get murder counts from it. I suggest that we do the following changes.

1. Only make players eligible for PvP if they flag their self to be ready for PvP

2. Make safe no-harm, no stealing zones for mining, logging, and other crafting.

3. Make it so that PKers cannot hide immediately after killing another player.

4. Add murder counts to players that kill pets of other players

5. Make it so PKers cannot bank, sell, trade items that have been recently looted

6. Flag Blues that assist/heal/rez reds with assisted murder counts, maybe half the time as a standard count

By this point you have probably decided that my requests are bat-shit crazy. Most players will say, if you don't want to be PK'ed, stay in town. If you don't want your stuff looted, put it in the bank or your house. I'd absolutely agree with you. These requests are more valid than, but just as stupid as the ones being made against the thieving skill. Stop tramming the server up and catering to lazy, careless, idiots who just want to ruin this server the way OSI was.

Go to the docks, there you will find what you seek. Trammel!

 

[halygon]

I think it's ridiculous that a player that is just trying to craft, has no weapons or reagents on them, has to deal with so many PKers. So many times my characters that are unarmed and unarmored get senselessly mowed down, not only by reds, but by blues that don't have 5 counts yet. Even worse, if I'm mining, blues will come and kill my pack horses because they know they cannot get murder counts from it. I suggest that we do the following changes.

1. Only make players eligible for PvP if they flag their self to be ready for PvP

2. Make safe no-harm, no stealing zones for mining, logging, and other crafting.

3. Make it so that PKers cannot hide immediately after killing another player.

4. Add murder counts to players that kill pets of other players

5. Make it so PKers cannot bank, sell, trade items that have been recently looted

6. Flag Blues that assist/heal/rez reds with assisted murder counts, maybe half the time as a standard count

By this point you have probably decided that my requests are bat-shit crazy. Most players will say, if you don't want to be PK'ed, stay in town. If you don't want your stuff looted, put it in the bank or your house. I'd absolutely agree with you. These requests are more valid than, but just as stupid as the ones being made against the thieving skill. Stop tramming the server up and catering to lazy, careless, idiots who just want to ruin this server the way OSI was.

Dam dude, do you want UO or a non-pvp WoW sever?

 

[Bromista]

Clearly not one of you read the entire post. Give it another look.

I'll respond to the thread in it's entirety:

Thieving is fucking whack here. So many rules have been tweaked in your favor that it is in-fucking-sane to ask for changes NOT to be made.

Be thankful for the docks, because if it weren't for the docks your thieving mechanics wouldn't be half as OP as thy currently are.

Even still it's unbalanced in your favor. Nothing of value has ever been stolen from me so I don't give a damn if it ever changes, but get off your high horse already.

 

[limlight]

Although his start was in jest..i think his point about counts for killing pets is relevant.

I dont even have a tamer but killing a pet should be a count.

Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk

 

[halygon]

Clearly not one of you read the entire post. Give it another look.

Lol, I did only read the 6 points. Pie in my face.

 

[Bromista]

Although his start was in jest..i think his point about counts for killing pets is relevant.

I dont even have a tamer but killing a pet should be a count.

Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk

No way, and this is coming from someone who's mains are tamers. That's tamers plural.

Your pets are an extension of you, sure, but flagging is as far as it should go. Counts for pets would be excessive and has probably never been done on any server.

 

[Bromista]

Lol, I did only read the 6 points. Pie in my face.

Hah. To be fair I almost stopped at the first paragraph because this isn't my first encounter with a Spinnacus dumb-ass defense of thievery mechanics post, but in the end that's what kept me reading. I had to see where this drivel was going.

 

[limlight]

Yeah attacking a pet should only flag. But those pets are blue. ..killing them is different then flagging. Besides why would a true pk care if they get one more count....

All it does it maybe get lesa blue pks to kill less mounts.

Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk

 

[Metalhead-]

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Gedron]

In the thread OP tries to undermine valid arguments for stealing reform with a strawman argument.

Yes there are some absurd suggestions for reform, but there are also very balanced and reasonable ones being presented as well. The majority of the server seems to support the need for change, so you are on the end of a losing argument.

Instead of trolling, why don't you try presenting reasonable arguments for reform so we can have a debate to find the best solution for all?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Bromista]

In the thread OP tries to undermine valid arguments for stealing reform with a strawman argument.

Yes there are some absurd suggestions for reform, but there are also very balanced and reasonable ones being presented as well. The majority of the server seems to support the need for change, so you are on the end of a losing argument.

Instead of trolling, why don't you try presenting reasonable arguments for reform so we can have a debate to find the best solution for all?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Haha, I don't think you're going to get what you're looking for from little miss Spin.

 

[Messremb]

OH OH OH pick me!!! I got an idea,

Lets create a place where the are no guards. and NPCs carry Uber rares, and you don't flag or go grey for stealing from them. heck lets even say you can steal stuff off their paper dolls, and from their banks, and nothing is blessed. lets also make is so you can steal while hidden, and reveal, tracking, and detect hidden wont work, and all stolen items are blessed, just incase you get killed. oh oh oh , and lets have the NPCs get way upset when you steal from them and shout obscenities and post "Nerf Thief" posts on the forums. and the only down side is, all stolen items disappear if they are moved out of your pack.

 

[Silvers]

I also want to add to the list made by Spinnacus: #7 Create dungeons where PKs cannot enter and honest folks like myself can hunt in peace and quiet